This is my first post after reading you for a long time so let me introduce myself first. I am from Spain, 34 years old, married with 2 kids, leaving in Schaffhausen since Oct 2017, 250K NW, 50-55% savings each month.
In 2019 and for the first time I invested the maximum amount in VIAC 100, same for 2020. For 2021 I am not sure whether deposit the full amount on the same portfolio for the third consecutive year or create a individual strategy, I was thinking on 20% SMI, 20% SPI Extra, 47% World Ex CH and 10% EM. I plan to stay in Switzerland until retirement and my idea is to have 5 3a portfolios to enable a staggered withdrawal.
Which is your VIAC individual strategy?
If anyone finds the info handy, I have just gone through aggregating the FTSE Global All Cap Index proportions vs. the funds offered via VIAC:
Europe ex-CH (*)
(*) Note: EM is in fact slightly higher (probably ~2%), at the expense of Europe ex-CH. I stopped summing the countries below 0.1%.
Yon’t can replicate the FTSE global all cap with Viac because of the hedging. The max foreign currency with VIAC is 60%
I am not trying to do that.
My idea is to explore how it would be to hold most of the non-US assets in VIAC, according to these proportions; and whatever cannot “fit” there sits with IBKR.
It will still be not straightforward, as my 3rd pillar assets are around 3x smaller than at IBKR.
And there might not be the proper CHF-hedged assets to cover the rest (e.g. the 40% CHF exposure rule).
It might be an exercise in vain, but I want to entertain it.
In fact it’s better to hold only US asset with a 3rd pillar because you don’t pay withholding tax on dividends.
I am recovering those via DA-1, not a dealbreaker.
I am still very strongly leaning towards just leaving the default strategies as they are (Global 100), and then account for their proportions in line with IBKR portfolio.
But I wanted to explore what it would be in the alternative view (and if it is worth the effort).
I think what @wapiti meant is the dividend income that counts toward your global income hence increasing the marginal tax rate and being taxed at such. 3rd pillar lets you avoid it.
Not I really meant the withholding tax on US companies.
Yes, pillar 3 allow to reduce your global income
That’s a fair point, worth considering.
On the other hand the WHT for non-US ETFs (Dev, EM) are not recoverable with the DA-1 afaik.
Thus my thinking to keep (most of) those within VIAC.
I believe @Cortana concluded in the other thread that the non-US funds usually payout higher dividends - so that might be an argument in that favor.
I guess one needs to choose between the two.
Or stop hyper-optimizing and keep it simple as is.
Yes, it’s true. What I don’t like about the global 100 is that you overweight CH, only finpension allow to replicate a total world index without hedging
For now (without yet rebalancing vs. IBKR VEA/VWO) I have just personalized my VIAC strategy to consist of:
- 5% SMI
- 5% SPI Extra
- 15% EM
- 27% World ex-CH Hedged (to top up to min 40% CHF exposure, when we add 3% liquidity)
- 45% World ex-CH (max possible unhedged after the above; perhaps this one is unnecessary)
My overall target “passive” ETF AA (maintained with VTI+VEA+VWO at IBKR) is:
- 55% US
- 5% CH (I “allow” a bit more than the FTSE here)
- 25% Dev xUS xCH
- 15% EM
I am curious what non-individual “strategy” that you guys have chosen among what VIAC has proposed. You are also welcomed to share your individual strategy.
I just use the default “Global 100” option and make sure with my IB account, that I’m close to my CH target allocation (20%) in regards of my total share allocation.
There are already a couple of threads with hundreds of answers. No need for a new one.
hey, I did search "viac strategy " under [Banks, Insurances & Third Pillar] and I only found 1 thread asking about the “individual strategy” with VIAC, as I am asking about the choice of the standard proposals from VIAC I consider it a differenct thing
I’ve got Global 100. Most of my 3rd pillar future payments are pledged to repay a 2nd mortgage in a interest only 3rd pillar account.
I just never bothered to optimize the asset allocation within the 3rd pillar.
Global 100 at VIAC, simple and easy. I’m planning to open a new account with Finpension for this year, I might get more experimental there and try something custom
Hi @yetanothername, is your 3a at Viac pledged to a mortgage? What is the value of the pledge to the mortgage bank, in relation to its current value? How does it work when during a “crash” the value of your 3a goes down? Does the mortgage bank somehow check the value of their “security”, like once a year or something?
I have two account with VIAC:
- 2020 : Global 100 Strategy that I paid monthly between May and December to reach the 6’826 CHF.
- 2021 : Global 100 Strategy that I lump sum today with the maximum amount of 6’883 CHF.
I stick with their Global 100 Strategy that is working perfectly for my first account (+10% in 2020).