When do we reach the bottom of the dip? (2022-24 Edition)

Note: I am in no case an expert in the field nor do i use TA to make my trades (maybe to some smaller degree).

You can, but i simply pulled a chart from Yahoo finance, if you take Tradingview or similar you will have a better owerview (less overlap on the candles).
You can chart longterm lines, but as you said it depends where you start or what you include.

TA - Oversimplified:
Basically you look at the cart and identify where did people sell and where did people buy.
Once you found this (and everyone else). With that information we can guess where the price will move, since everyone is doing it the trades get “front run”.

Say VT had a pullback at 90, but has been bought again at 82, there is a bit chance that next time we go near those numbers we drop/rise. So you set your orders to sell at 88 and buy at 84. This creates the patterns that we see.

Also psychologically if you, say bought lots of VT at 60, are inclined to double down if it reaches that range again. We can identify where lots of stocks changed hands and we can assume that buyer will step up and buy again at those levels.

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Well into the 5 digits gain now


Not exactly specific to your question, but in this article it discusses Real Estate Bewertungen and Interest Rate sensitivity of one company.
The leverage effect is 
 somehow huge.
The stock is down almost 40% YTD.

“bei einem Anstieg des zur Bewertung verwendeten Diskontsatzes um 0,4 Prozentpunkte das Portfolio von Peach Property 260 Millionen Franken an Wert verlieren wĂŒrde. Das entspricht gut 10 Prozent des Gesamtwerts des knapp 2,7 Milliarden Franken schweren Portfolios.”

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Hope there`s not a big bounce up now before I get my July Bonus :smiley:

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First chart does have logarithmic scale :wink:

Regarding support
 Yes, some people will base their investment on the („sunk costs“) previous prices they paid for their investments. Big professional investors though? Probably not. Some of them may be leveraged enough that a violation of „support“ may require them liquidate - does that affect the overall longterm market? Probably not, unless they’re big enough to endanger the working of the whole financial system.
Could „support“ levels signal something about the state of the market or investor confidence? Maybe. in the short terms. Few weeks or even few months, as early indicators of change of sentiment.

Over the long term though? I don’t think investors base their decisions on support levels froms years ago in a meaningful way. Same is true for 



the black line, which (literally) just joins two points on a chart, about 10 years in time between them.

I don’t believe it’s meaningful at all.
That said, I‘m not saying you’re wrong on us „testing“ it within a couple of months. :wink:

It‘s more a figure of speech, since there’s no observable mean.

But what we can observe is a long-term upward trend for stock indices - and this yea‘s downturn doesn’t look anything special or exceptional from that trend. It rather seems to confirm it, by approaching the long-term curve.

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I wish I had some dry powder left now, but of course I’ve spent it all, as I’m supposed to as non-market-timer :sweat_smile:

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Us DCA-ers are happy. :slight_smile:

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VT is down 3% and USDCHF down another 2.5%. Nice!

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Accumulators get new dry powder every month. :slight_smile:

Doing what we can to ensure we stay employed/keep getting new money is the most important step to get more of it.

Edit: for already retired people, I feel you. Stay strong.

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For me global stock markets turned bearish (yellow to blue) in January with no end in sight.
I sold 40% and will redeploy back into stocks when the trend turns back up again, probably still 6-12 months out considering the crazy drops and panic right now

Bitcoin turned bearish on Mid-April, and it crashes and crashes,
I sold all and won’t touch it for the foreseeable future

at least the commodity trend still looks good to me

I made a big gold bet last year, trend still a bit unclear but could work

Energy and healthcare also seem also to be doing fine, didn’t invest in it though (besides broad index funds of course)

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Where are these high tech charts from? :slight_smile:
And what is the Larsson line - some sort of indicator you use to move in/out?

Tradingview, the best platform for chart analytics IMO, https://www.tradingview.com

Larson line is a longterm buy/sell indicator for tech stocks and cryptos, but it works with some tweaks for most assets, even fiat currencies

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and for those interested in TA, here is a pretty good site explaining the most important patterns:

https://school.stockcharts.com/doku.php?id=chart_analysis:chart_patterns

Might help to determine when we have reached the bottom, resp. total capitulation and a reversal is due

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Definitely.

In hindsight. Some months/years after we’ve hit it (that bottom).

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Well in this case this whole thread is meaningless, since nobody knows anything and everything is random.

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That’s always been the point of the thread, was kinda a joke which started at the corona dip. :grinning:

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Sorry I keep forgetting that this is a DCA-into-Vanguard-ETF-everything-else-is-a-scam-group here. :wink:

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No, it is everything-else-is-a-strategy-that-you-have-to-prove-group.

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If you don’t believe that it’s possible to identify trends that outperform the markets, resp. don’t believe that there are methods to identify up- and down trends I guess DCAing blindly into the broad market and totally ignoring everything else is the best strategy. It surely has psychological advantages.

I observe the markets pretty close and leverage during uptrends and reduce my exposure during down trends. Therefore I never buy the dip or dca into a down trend but instead wait for a trend reversal. I’ll never get the bottom perfectly, just as I never sell the perfect top, always a bit later when the trend has confirmed. But not having to hodl all the way down safes me from the big losses and sleepless nights.
I am happy with my results over the last few years and am pretty confident I will be this year as well. Maybe we get a crazy V shaped recovery I’ll kick myself for not being in the market 100%. We shall see


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Heard this before and it’s just wrong. I think most people here have a very long time horizon and understand the basics of the financial system but not much more. For this kind of group it has been statistically proven to be the most effective strategy for maximum profit to just buy passive ETFs with a DCA strategy and you will be rich in x years. Does this guarantee us returns in the future? No it’s not guaranteed but it’s the best strategy we have at our hands right now which definitely doesn’t mean anything else is a scam. But as a person in this group you certainly don’t want to bet against the market and try to think that you know more than the market.

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