So even in Zurich 60% of transport is done by individual vehicles and not public transport (I have to admit, even I was shocked that public transport is not used more).
Oh and I read that Uber pays their drivers around 25 CHF per hour. This money you can save. Then there’s the general lower cost from operating an EV vs ICE.
So if we calculate the value of FSD as the salary of the driver that is being saved, then we get:
fsd_value / year = 25 CHF / hour * 12 hours / day * 365 days / year = 109’500 CHF / year
But generally speaking a km is at least 0.50 CHF all running costs calculated fix+variable - the more you go the cheaper it gets. Looking at some non-prius taxis, this number might be much higher, there could be taxi licenses, etc. Dunno, I’m not a taxi driver
It might be that 4 CHF out of 5 is actually the driver’s salary. Uber only charges you around 3CHF a km, the service takes a 25% cut, leaving you with 2.25CHF a km for income + maintenance of your car. I don’t see how this could be cut down significantly from here.
that’d be quite an employee
(you work around 2200-2400 hours a year, minus vacations (10%) = 2000 hours = 50k.)
But yeah, robotaxis could work 24/h, it doesn’t hurt them.
Ehh… don’t you see this is the point? A robotaxi can do the job of 2-3 people. A typical person will work for 8 hours a day, 225 days in a year. That’s 1’800 hours in a year. A robotaxi can go non stop from 06:00 to 22:00, day after day. Let’s say it goes 15 hours over 360 days for easy calculation, we get 5’400 hours, exactly 3x the working time of a typical human.
If this typical human driver costs 50’000 CHF per year, then you can save up to 150’000 CHF by not having a driver. And these savings can be split between the passenger and the robotaxi operator.
I see your point and the potential - have seen it all along. What I’m debating is the market need for a robotaxi in the first place. I can’t see a real problem a robotaxi would solve that is today not solvable on the SBB-Mobility-Uber-OwnCar line in terms of cost vs comfort.
Right… Where do you think those limitless number of cars would then disappear before and after rush hour?
The reason that mobility cars are not enough is probably not just utilization but also limited space to park them.
But even if this would be true and a massive amount of cars would suddenly appear and disappear into oblivion (a huge parking field in Aargau), they would massively be underutilized between 10-16:00 on Weekdays and most nights except Fridays-Saturday. Then everyone would use them as they are so super cheap, so with time there wouldn’t be enough of them… And the whining starts again
Just joking (kind of). We also tried the new Hyundai i30 and I also drove the Golf 7R and the Mercedes A45 AMG of two friends. So I know there is more than a 2004 Polo.
While the i30 is a good car, it didn’t cause any wow-effect. Felt outdated compared to a Tesla 3. The Tesla feels like a advanced space shuttle
I had that feeling almost 2 years ago, when I got in a Model 3 shortly after passing my driver’s license. I did the whole training + exam in a Mini Cooper and never drove a different car. I was like… “whoa, this is on another level”. And imagine that this car has been unveiled in 2016, 6 years ago! Really forward thinking.
I think the Cybertruck will also make this impression. But at this stage Tesla has achieved financial stability and is less focused on bringing new epic cars, because that’s not where the big bucks are. They want to replace labor, first drivers, then factory workers, and so on.
Just think that legacy carmakers have almost no margin on ICE cars, and they make up for it in spare parts. Now if one EV robotaxi can replace 5 ICE cars, will people want to fix old cars or just dump them altogether? And these cars are often not bought with cash, but with credit, and they serve as collateral. What will happen when people dump ICE cars and nobody wants to buy them anymore? Used car price drops, loans will not be covered. I think we will see an epic collapse of the legacy car industry, one bankruptcy after another.
The i30 is a no-hassle cheap compact worth about a third of a Model 3, new. About 1/5 used. Apples to Oranges.
The Golf R (depending on generation) is a sports car for petrolheads, clearly not for the ones who would buy a Tesla. Same for the A45.
You should go testdrive (and test-pack!) the Ioniq5, the Kia EV6, the Honda CRV (albeit it’s a hybrid not an EV) and the Polestar 2. Only then would you have a fair comparison.
In all fairness I think the Model 3 is probably the best price/performance of the lot, but I wouldn’t buy it as it’s a sedan and the option to pack your stuff in there is limited. I would gladly buy the Model Y if I were to shell out 60k for a car and bear the consequences of depreciation. Alas, I’m not going to
Only the Polestar 2 would be fun enough to drive (0-100km/h) which has about the same price as the Tesla 3. But less range and looks that I don’t like. Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 look weird aswell.
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