Please, before I get really angry: could you tell me why my posts were deleted? What are the exact rules I did break? It was about tax but not about Switzerland, so what? Is censorship a thing here, I did not know.
I’m sorry for the direction this forum takes. Probably I’ll have to look for another place to practice my English…
Now I suppose this article will be deleted too. In this case I am very sorry for the people that followed my mechanical investment thread but I cannot continue this way.
I hope you understand… too bad, just when I broke the 30% CAGR in my seventh year…
While I totally appreciate our Dear Leader, I also didn’t get the previous topic’s cancellation. If anything, it served me to (further?) re-judge who I see as a useful forum contributor versus just a lackey.
Anyway, Dear Leader, I do appreciate you, but … Jeezus … I was going to suggest that you ask yourself who might usefully contribute to making judging contributions to what is fine or not fine on this forum … while realizing moments later that persons suggesting what is fine or not succeeded in canceling what was fine (in the previous topic).
At any rate, while I do not want to generalize, the censoring on this forum seems to exceed what I think is healthy. Is this social pressure you’re experiencing? If it’s just me feeling this, please feel free to ignore.
Yeah, that’s what I would call inflammatory if not immature.
Moderators, please delete this or maybe the entire topic, too (only it sounds like it’s too bad we cannot discuss this while immature posters intervene and we have to delete the entire topic?
OK, this is a free forum in a free world. Whoever pays for this has the right to censorship. I just don’t understand it and would like to know which rules I did break, if any.
Also I hate having to make private copies of the threads because you delete them without comment.
I suggest we wait for an eventual official remark as to why the previous thread was deleted before we make projections on it. None of us who have written in this topic yet have moderating powers.
On a personal level, I feel a bit of passive-agressiveness in the opening message of this thread that I’d rather see discussed separately so as to separate discussions about the project of law and the moderation of the forum. I’m happy to discuss what in my opinion went above a simple discussion about another country’s tax policies in a separate dedicated topic if someone wants to launch one.
Not sure, I stopped reading after it started off with something like “this is slavery”. Maybe, that’s not how civil and nuanced discussions about a policy (a proposed one, in another, democratic and generally rather liberal country, on top) get started?
I mean, you even sabotage the 2nd attempt to discuss it
You did not read, but you still write about it. That makes no sense. Anyhow, now nobody can read it any longer.
Just see in the Tagesschau that they discuss a new law: as social platform you would not longer be allowed to delete postings without informing the author. Did not understand that until now…
FIRE is a way to get freedom. A 36% tax on non-realized capital gains will add that many years to your wealth-building that you will have to work the years until official retirement anyhow. You are a slave to the system. That was my opinion expressed in the deleted thread, but I suppose you did not read until here…
My friends from Holland are still thinking about what to do and still hope that some kind of intelligence comes back to their country. And they ask me to write about it internationally wherever I can, maybe that still helps.
I started reading, and decided to stop due to the polemic tone. My post was speculating as to why it got removed, and it might be because if a thread starts like that, it either ends in circle-jerk or drama. Which can be entertaining for a while, but is toxic to the quality of the forum.
Plus, that’s pushing their political agenda, not discussing policy in a Swiss context.
Back to topic, many countries tax capital gains. I guess the difference here is that they want to tax them as you go, instead of deferring it till realization (which might be never).
To actually qualify that approach, it does seem important to consider the previous handling, as well as the finer details, e.g. is there a loss-carry forward (assuming they’d also be able to deduct losses) and how does it fit into the context of the overall Dutch taxation?
Does not change the fact that you wrote and still write about it without having read it. Why is that? What is exactly your problem?
Actually I spoke with them after I wrote the article. But it does not matter. If this kind of content is not allowed 95% of the articles here have to be deleted. And it would be nice to know what rules I did actually break.
Does not matter as I think this will be deleted too.
I asked for an archive of my postings and got a mail with the title the archive is made and an error message in the content. No archive. Anyhow, I suppose the deleted article will not be included in my archive.
Mustachian post forum, the only place the worst arguments are about topics everybody agrees on.
(I can’t seriously imagine anyone here being enthusiastic about such a tax idea, given what you aim at and how you achieve it… but maybe I’m wrong. Haven’t followed initial thread though - because Dutchery was not my concern).
It is not so much about Dutch legislation, but about a precedence, a very bad one.
And I still don’t understand which rule I did break. I cannot verify it because I have no access to the article I wrote. If I remember correctly I compared the poor Dutch to slaves because their financial freedom is cut.
It is important because it will add many years until FIRE or make it impossible and because it is a prototype of a very dangerous trend for other countries. And I feel bad for my Dutch friends…
Do you honestly, truly believe this is the best way to start a thoughtful and substantive discussion? What did it bring to the topic? Can anything but shallow, reflexive comments follow up from that?
I understand it’s a lot of work to moderate, worse than herding cats, but perhaps giving an opportunity to amend a post to make it more palatable could be a middle ground solution?
Edit: not preaching, I am aware many of my posts don’t pass the Selbstkontrolle.
I personally have the feeling there are messages in this forum which are in violation to the quoted guidelines. Which is totally fine, I fully understand and accept that it’s hard if not impossible to always draw a clear line. In addition, I also fully understand that moderators are also humans, so it’s not always a mechanical process.
With this in mind, I ask for an understanding from the part of the moderators if I as a (relatively) new user am not yet accustomed with all practical implementations of the guidelines. My request for communication on deleted posts therefore is a request to give me a chance to better understand the forum and to make me a (hopefully) better contributor.
Yes, I see this as ideal world. I am also aware that such communication increases the workload of moderators. So there is probably no perfect solution.
My conclusion: I’m happy for this thread and consider my request for communication fulfilled.
Just out of respect to you, considering your achievements, contributions and age (yes, I still have respect by default for people who has more life experience than me).
This is not an argument. This is not an invitation to discussion. This is a pile of .
A bad start. How do you expect it to continue? People are going to react, if not to the content, then to the tone of the message. And your tone make it much easier to attack the message.
The answers were pretty cool, actually, but the bad start makes it immediately a loaded topic. I can’t fathom why precisely this topic, but that’s OK. This is not a problem.
So, we have a topic that is already heated from the start. And then someone will make another heated counterargument, and others do it back, and everyone is pissed off. The bad beginning still lingers, and then someone is going to think “This guy can get away with this level of messages, why not me then?”. And then others do it as well.
Here is a glimpse of some history of this issue, that can explain why longer time forum members don’t want it and how I happened to learn to recognize a pile of when I see one.
IMHO he did not attack anyone on the forum, or anyone at all, if not the Dutch lawmakers.
The wording might look raw, however he’s expressing a sentiment, his, without filter, and I personally don’t feel it’s an encouragement to insult and revolution.
We’re talking financial independence and freedom, I get that a law project in a nearby country that would take money that is not realized, potentially refraining any project of financial independence, can trigger some… reactions. @cubanpete_the_swiss employs the word slaves to describe the supposedly lost (financial) freedom (expectation), while I don’t sponsor it, hasn’t this word been used in FIRE discussions even to picture employment? I don’t think for a second he was referring to Dutch putting chains on their population and have them harvest tulips in the fields…
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