especially that the promise was never that the measures will be dropped once everyone who wants gets vaccinated.
The promise was that once the infection levels are under control, we can release measures, and the higher the proportion of vaccinated people the easier.
It was always clear that basically everyone needs to be vaccinated if we want to drop the measures immediately. According to John Hopkins University, we are only at 50% which is rather low compared to other developed countries. Switzerland - COVID-19 Overview - Johns Hopkins (jhu.edu)
Furthermore, the R value is above 1 everywhere in Switzerland, meaning the illness is propagating faster in the population at an alarming rate (same source).
What special powers and how are they using them? How is the current government reigning similarly to a wartime government? Democracy takes place unhampered.
There‘s a few restrictions on mass events, and there is a requirement to wear masks in public indoor settings - that‘s pretty much it.
this is wrong. there is a solid core of estimated 15% of hard deniers. the rest is just not bothering too much. France showed nicely how to persuade these folks to get vaccinated:
This recent acceleration in vaccination is pretty much the result of recent tightening of corona measures obliging vaccination and or tests for important parts of public life. Hence, those measures are very successfull and you can expect them (I hope they come) here, too.
vaccination is theonly viable and sustainable way to get rid of the virus and all the restrictions. And it is a good one, with least possible harm to the population and economy.
I listened to all the press conferences and this was never communicated this way. You must’ve misunderstood a statement or two, which can happen quite easily when one is hoping to hear a certain message.
No-one in his right mind, not even a politician, would make a statement like that, as the changes that can arise in a global pandemic are totally unforseeable.
This link below is not from CH, but I confirm it applies equally to all the statements by Berset & Co. I post it here because it is very concise and clear.
It’s from a lady who has been very clear throughout this pandemic, from February 2021, at about 2:10 is the message for us all, applicable then, applicable now…
What worries me most about this pandemic is not the power that the government is taking but rather the atmosphere of distrust of a part of the population towards the government, an anti-establishment attitude supported by populist movements such as “the friends of the constitution”, distrust that also relates to the media in general. These corona-skeptics use a vocabulary that seems totally exaggerated (apartheid, dictatorship) and have a very particular reading of the facts by informing themselves on “re-information” websites. They play an active role in the polarization of society.
The porosity of our western societies to misinformation on the internet is worrying.
Of course some people have been prevented from working and we can understand the discontent of a part of the population. But it is difficult to complain about the measures introduced by the Swiss government, which appear to be much less than those of other countries, and especially to talk about dictatorship. Leave the numbers to scientists and the decisions to the politics. They may do some errors along the way but it seems overall quite good managed.
I suppose that Mr. Berset would be happy to see the situation return to normal quickly and certainly did not proclaim these measures that are damaging the country’s economy lightheartedly.
Well I will speak for Switzerland but the health minister Alain Berset tried imho to be as honest as possible in the, at times, weekly press conferences with sentences like “we don’t know everything”, “we learn from day to day”, “we have to stay humble” and so forth.
They (the politicians) have to make a balance between being catastrophic and being negligent, slaloming between the interests of public health, the economy and their lobbies the opposition political parties etc. and that was/is not an easy task at all.
Again, in Switzerland also they made mistakes as saying “the masks are not usefull”, “the situation is in control”. But they were mistakes or communication mistakes and not lies. Ask your self what you would have done in their situation… or who would have done better? Didier Raoult in France with his presumptuous claims and pseudo-science, the anti-vaxxers?
We have the chance of having a direct democracy in Switzerland that works well (ex. even the Friends of the Constitution who claim the population is being muffled could do a referendum and make the population vote on the Covid law). Let’s not forget that and find a way out together.
PS: being critic of the politician in charge is, of course, a must and a sign of vitality of the democracy. But don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater
I of course believe in democracy as the least worse form of government. I don’t think it is a problem of the quality of Spanish democracy, rather the quality of politicians.
I’m actually very happy that you prove me wrong as far as Swiss politicians/politics is concerned.
Unfortunately the same does not apply to Spain and probably other countries.
no, you just don’t want to publicly acknowledge that being vaccinated massively reduces the probability to pass on the virus. I am convinced on the inside you know it as well.
excactly, and bringing this up as argument “but you can still spread it” all the time is utter nonsense. Like the majority of points you are trying to make.
wrong. Just because you prefer the “way out” that will kill ~1-5% of the world population and produce long-covid for 20% of the world population, this “way” is not the “way out”.
The way out is quenching the virus until it does not play a role in public life anymore. lik smallpox, polio, and all the others that got defeated by science (and not by deniers)
You can still get sick → Yes but the data shows that potential deadly cases are reduced to mild cases thus making the virus way less dangerous. As why 90-95% of all hospitalized people are unvaccined.
You can still infect others → Yes but the data shows that the probability is much smaller.
We don’t know if the vaccine is safe enough / some people have severe side effects or even died after getting vaccined → Yes but the data shows that the virus itself is more dangerous than the vaccine by a factor of at least 1000.
I just don’t get anti-vaxx people. Maybe because they just aren’t rational human beings or misinformed/misguided.
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