Covid vaccines - First feedback from people already vaccinated and... what do you think about it?

Hello guys,
I’m here opening a topic that I’m sure will create a debate in the mustachian post forum audience: Covid vaccins.

I thought it was obviously something already discussed but in reality I could not find anything.
No clue about you, but in my life (family, friends, colleagues) it is basically one of the key topic from Christmas in any talk. I do not think it is only me, but I guess it is a common topic nowadays.

What do you think? Is it worthy to do or you feel it as just an obligation?

Any direct experience (on you or someone you know well enough to know how it was)? any problem?

I’m personally not 100% convinced of it. Too much pressure on science nor.ally doesn’t allow for a good and technically optimal solution (in my humble opinion). On top, the few people I know that got it (mainly few over 80, some people working in the hospital and some people working in the schools, most of them from Italy and Switzerland) told me they all got fever for 1-3 days and general deaziness. on the other hand., my brother had covid and the only symptom he had was one evening on deaziness without fever (you know, this kind of evening in which you do not feel well, you take a hot tea and lie down on the sofa for a while and you go named early after eventually taking an aspiring or a paracetamol…) and that’s all. Many othr people I know got it and told me basically all the same.
My humble question is then the following: better vaccinated (and 1-3 days of fever and other things) or getting the covid and feel eventually deazy for an evening?

have a good night…

ItalianEngineer

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With the vaccine you get fever (not sure what the actual differences are between pfizer, moderna, astra zeneca and the russian one). With covid you get a spectrum between nothing and death.

My current plan is to wait and see, until the vaccine is publicly available ad-hoc. And then decide. And if they ease travel restrictions for vaccinated people then it’s gonna be a strong argument to do it.

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Agree with @Bojack on the premise, but I’ll get one as soon as they let me.
I dont want the risk of ending up on the high end of the spectrum…

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I trust science & swissmedic, and will get ASAP for me.
When I get a cold, I’m generally a candidate for man-flu, so I’d expect more than a headache/dizzy one evening from Covid (not that I am overly scared, just a normal respect for it).
Long-covid doesn’t sound great either, but don’t really know anyone personally.

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Be aware thatyou are cherry picking your data point to support your initial point of view, which if you did for financial décisions on this forum, would gather some pretty Quick answers !

Light fever after the injection is pretty common in vaccines. Light fever is also pretty common in Covid-19 BUT the decision to vaccine is based on calculs to assess weather it’s worth or not the risk to expose People to à drug, and if so, what population of People.
Measles : benefices outweight the risks for children, so it’s mandatory.
Classic flu : strongly recommended for elder People and healer (doctor and nurses), almost mandatory for immunodefficient patients (chemo, aides, greffes)
Covid : depending on the age and profession, very higly recommended due to basal r0

Don’t forget that medical décisions are based on science and that human cognitive bias (like cherry pick or confirmation biais) are taken into account when the decisions is made.

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Most (all?) the covid vaccines are reactive, so yes that’s the expected process, some fever as a side effect for a short time is common. Otoh covid has a wide range of impact, it’s not uncommon for young people to have flu symptoms (ie much worse than a few days with some fever), and obviously a lot of people have it much worse. In addition to that some people end up with long covid symptoms (headache, brain fog, etc) even if primary infection was minor.

The vaccine is also much better at building immunity, so you’d reduce the chances of getting reinfected with a variant (variant may escape the vaccine, but that’s harder than with natural immunity).

It’s also about protecting others, if you don’t do it for yourself, maybe do it for all the people you will likely infect who might not be as lucky.

Regarding other side effects there’s now something like 100M+ people who received at least a dose, afaik with no reported serious side effect (the US vaccinates like 3M per day)

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It’s the only way to get back to the previous world. The more are against it the longer we’ll live in the current situation.

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Just realise that around 25% of the people that get covid still have some symptoms 6 months after the infection. 10% of those are severe. Meaning severe fatique, unable to walk more than a few hundret meters or others.

I’ll take a vaccine that prevents that anyday.

You need to be either crazy or ignorant about longcovid if you don’t want to take the vaccine.

My grandparents had slightly elevated temperature the first day after the second vaccine.

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Covid likely won‘t kill me, chances for an asymptomatic case are high. Yet, I still run a high Chance of long term health impacts; latest estimates I see project about 20% of people that suffer even after months (and even if Covid as such went smooth).

To me, the vaccine is an insurance to protect me from long term healt impacts and related loss/reduction of income. Will it cost me a day of nausea and maybe 2, 3 days of feeling a bit feverish? Thats a fair price to be paid for such insurance.

Besides: Even after catching Covid, you may still catch the Brasilian strain. Just have a look at what happened in Manaos. Luckily though, at least the Moderna vaccine protects agains both „ordinary“ covid as well as the Brazillian one. So… the Vaccine is an insurance against two infections otherwise that come with up to 20% of probability for long covid… may be a bit bold as there was no research done yet but looks like up to 35% that don‘t get the shot might eventually face long covid.

This was all an egocentric view. If we now get human again and remember that post a shot, the level of transmittion is at least heavily reduced… just have a look at Israel. Do I want to walk around as a risk to those ones that either for medical reasons cant be vaccinated or where the vaccine doesnt work? Do I want this blood on my hands that I never know if, during my active or asymptomatic desease I probably infected someone that might die - just because I didnt want to feel unwell for three days?

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What I don’t get though, is why Israel still requires to wear masks? Are they just super cautious or wait until 100% are vaccinated? I was hoping we can get rid of these fracking masks…

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I would not give much value to the feedback from relatives already vaccinated. The vaccines have been tested in a controlled manner on tens of thousands of subjects. In my opinion, there is no extra valuable information coming from the experience of a handful of people with no control.

Edit: The last vaccine I had (FSME) was tested on far less people (<3000) than any of the covid vaccines yet I did not hear anybody advising against it

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Please be aware that this COVID vaccine is actually the most thouroughly tested vaccine before launch.

The main reason the launch was so fast is that :
-processes have been run in parallel
-More ressources have been put from the government side to accelerate the data review and process

So the vaccine is safe. A slightly elevated temperature or other symptoms is not considered as a harmful side-effect.

For me, vaccination as soon as possible. It is a social duty towards society.

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I’m pro vaccine and would have a willingness to pay up to 1000CHF to get it. (If money was the limiting factor. As is, other people should get it earlier than me and I’ll just wait until it’s my turn.)

About the safety, I think that even if we didn’t have any empirical data about these specific vaccines, we should assume that it’s most likely safe.

However, we do actually have strong evidence that the vaccine is safe. See what @Patirou and @Gesk posted. Or for another example example:

I’m not cool with people promoting overblown vaccine skepticism when it leads to a loss of human lives and imposes a huge economic cost on the world.

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6 family members above 80 years already vaccinated (Pfizer): 1 had headaches, 1 a bit of fever and the other 4 nothing. Another 2 family members vaccinated (doctors - Pfizer) no reaction. I will get one as soon as they let me

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The more a virus circulates, the more it mutates. Mutations are the ultimate enemy we need to conquer. As long as the Virus Circulates, you should aim to stop it from circulating as fast as possible. Israel still didnt vaccinate everyone and the Virus is still in the wild, so why should they stop with masks? Unlike a lock-down, they come with nearly zero cost to society. Masks can go as soon as you only have local outbreaks that get cobtained relatively fast; but with chains that still go over thousands of people, it would be stupid to give up on masks.

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It‘s good to see that most voices are on the side of science. I for one will get mine ASAP.

It‘s just a probability calculation

Higher probability of longterm health issues v. very low probability of vaccine longterm health issues.

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I would go even so far to say that your opinion on vaccines is an indirect IQ test in most cases.

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Btw Cortana, how do you feel?

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Such statements bring nothing. Insulting people will not convince them, and boosting your own ego by saying others are stupid is in bad taste, IMO.

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I’d also guess that other characteristics (political stance, living in rural or urban environment, trust in government) are much better predictors of Vaccine hesistancy.

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