I agree.
Then again, all that education works just like COVID vaccine: While it will likely work for most doctors, it won’t prevent (at least) some of them from catching that idiot bug anyway and (super-) spreading it.
Some people do consider voting for measures against a pandemic virus good moral judgement.
Actually, in the Science article I linked above, there are studies concluding viral load of vaccinated people and unvaccinated can be the same.
I wasn’t accusing vaccinated people to be deliberately carefree, but as I wrote, if they are not informed that there is a chance they could still be infectious, of course they will be less prone to wear masks.
Again, I also value vaccination because it helps keeping ICU free for other kind of emergencies.
I don’t get the jab yet because I’m waiting for Novavax, in the meantime since I can, I live almost totally segregated and for sure if I go out in indoor public spaces I don’t remove my mask to eat or drink.
Just because the viral load can be the same doesn’t mean that the factor of reduction of risk isn’t higher.
you are the windmill…
Thank you for your link in “Nature” but in fact, you keep only half of the information of it. Vaccinated people who make a breakthrough infection have a virus load similar to unvaccinated people. However the probability to get infected is much smaller once you have been fully vaccinated, so the probability to spread the virus.
That‘s what the anti-vaxxers don‘t understand. Probability low, if less likely infection => unvaccinated a bigger danger of becoming a spreader. Obviously same spreading effect possible for low probabilty infection for vaccinated, but again low probability.
And now we discover that the self test we got in the pharmacy to do at home are far less efficient than claimed by the manufacturer!
I claimed from the beginning, vaccination is the way for success in this crisis. Testing is the way to increase the dividend of the pharmaceutical sector as you need to renew the test periodically…
And may be the test you just made is crap. 
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I would like to contest that claim and am ready to be called an irrationally thinking person for it. I think just as I can understand your point of view that, yes, as with any situation, some people have seen opportunity in it and are making a lot of money out of it (I mean, we’re ones to speak, stocks have skyrocketed out of all this…), you as well are able to see how rational reasoning can lead one to think that yes, we are going through a health crisis and yes, given the uncertainty we have faced and are still facing, the measures enforced made sense and it could make sense to get back to it if the hospitals capacity is at stake.
Just my two cents about covid articles and stats:
It’s sad but WE are so far that WE can’t believe newspapers or news anymore.
I got three peoples of my family working in different hospital, every newspapers keeps telling us that the « soins intensifs » (critical care?) are overcrowded and that the situation is becoming critical again.
Guess what? On three different hospital, they have two covid cases.
Maybe have to look at the global situation, peaks are different between regions? Didn’t intercantonal transfers start again? Didn’t planned surgeries start to be cancelled (again)? That does mean worse health outcome for people not directly impacted by covid.
See COVID-19 Dashboard for official numbers. It’s clearly rising again quickly (and we might just be at the beginning of the current wave, it’s still summer and most activity happens outdoor).
You’ve been told several times that many healthy people consider the inconvenience of taking 2 small injections worth it to reduce the risk for others who have a much higher risk than us. You have also just acknowledged that by doing so we probably do reduce the spread. [caveat so long as we remember that we can still carry the virus once vaccinated and continue to act respectfully.]
Conversely you are not prepared to take the risk of the vaccine to help others. I understand your belief is that the old or chronically ill should be left to their fate and take measures to exclude themselves from society or reduce their risk. If correct this is a very different viewpoint vs. most of the other contributors on here
What are these possibilities? Not all at risk people live in homes: old but healthy people ( eg my parents), type 1 diabetics, pregnant ladies, cancer survivors… and 2.2 million people have chronic illnesses in Switzerland.
So indeed exclude them from a lot of common activities in society, which was what I said originally
You know very well the vaccine is not 100% effective especially in people with compromised immune systems. What makes a vaccine work is the cumulative impact across a society
The probability is much, much, much lower. That is how vaccines work and how we eradicated diseases like smallpox and polio
Because the virus is still circulating at a high level and growing (R>1) due to not yet having reached a critical high enough % of vaccination in the population. As the vaccine is not 100% perfect at preventing illness or transmission it makes sense to ask people to take other measures to further reduce the chance of getting ill and to get R<1
You couldn’t enforce that only non-vaccined people have to wear masks, because otherwise you had to somehow check that everywhere. Would you rather just enter a shop with a mask, or having someone check your certificate everytime you want to enter, or just trust people? Trust would maybe work if a lot more people were vaccinated, but right now it’s barely 50:50.
Some high school statistics. In UK you need a PCR test if you return from overseas and today, I saw a headline that vaccinated people returning had 1/3 the infection rate in comparison to the unvaccinated.
There was no detail on the sample size or methodology but assuming it is correct the probability of a 2nd vaccinated person being infected by the first one would be 0.33 x 0.33 = 11% of the risk that would apply in a situation where people are not vaccinated
Etc
Even if the reduction in infection is only 50% the impact is still huge
