I know that French did not receive one but Fama did for his three FACTOR model:
Wikipedia:
„In 2013, Fama shared the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for his empirical analysis of asset prices. The three factors are (1) market excess return, (2) the outperformance of small versus big companies, and (3) the outperformance of high book/market versus low book/market companies.“
There is surely a correlation between high P/E (or Price /book) and lower prospective returns when applied at total market level
On the other hand if an individual stock has a high P/E or Price / book it doesn’t mean it is overvalued. “A great business at a fair price is superior to a fair business at a great price”. (Munger)
EUSA is my preferable one.
RSP, GSEW, and others, including equal weighted sectors, equal weighted stocks within the sectors, and both at 2 levels of equal weighting.
There are thousands of US ETFs on US stocks market, and often I have an impression that they have tried all conceivable ways to reshuffle them into a portfolio.
But do they have a premium left after accounting for trading costs (due to be equal weighted and to keep it that way, the fund has to trade a lot internally), is the big question probably. I‘ll look into those a bit more.
Enjoy the ride, its never a mistake to put your money on a trend. But beware - it is just a trend. See my post above. Some day it may reverse, and if that happens - things will go VERY fast. So would recommend to watch trends and as things go down, fast convert back to all world.
Every weight below Market Cap weight increases the problem. 100 Investors that invest with 30% ex-Us only equate to approx 50 investors that invest with Market Cap weight and 50 investors that invest with US only.
Clearly, home-country bias is all over the place and the US is not the only one with a heavy one. There is an interesting Vanguard Paper on this. But given that the US had a massive increase on investable money for smaller investors plus the recent trend; things have gone out of control. Just think about the american “pension” system where everyone selects index funds to their liking. These days, even European Investors or Swiss Investors like Cortana over-weight the US.
What is recent US Overperformance was simply a distortion that allocates too much to the US? What if the nice trend of US savers beeing able to invest the largest amount into shares (in absolute terms). What if that changes and trend followers spot the reversal? Ouch…
Dunno, we’ll see. Personally I am not convinced the next big thing can come from outside of the US. It may not be an American that does it, it may be an Indian, Romanian, Chinese, Nigerian, or Fiji Islander, but I am certain that it will happen in the USA than in India, Romania, China, Nigeria, or Fiji.
Whenever someone, anywhere in the world, thinks up something really smart they either go to the US to realise it, or sell it to a US company. A lot of social mobility too in the US, all tied to money, and softer cultural barriers, universal language. Wonder how easy it is for a foreigner or a woman to make it in Japan or Korea, LGBT people making it… anywhere other than “the West”.
/sarcasm Plus all that backed by positive population growth, cornfields the size of Europe, raw materials, and about 10 aircraft carriers filled with gun-totting cowboys and nuclear strategic bombers. 'murica f4ck yea /sarcasm
There might be more boom-bust in the US but nevertheless quality companies happen to be over-proportionately listed there: companies with growing revenues, solid balance sheets, and high returns on capital. I don’t think it is by chance.
I would add to the list strong governance and low government interference; can-do attitude and spirit of innovation
People in 2013 were predicting a market crash based on valuations. A CAPE value of 25 back then was considered by some as dangerously high for the S&P500: Be Prepared for Stocks to Crash
In order to time overvaluations efficiently, one has to:
leave the market not too early (while there are already plenty of articles around calling stocks overvalued and due for a crash) and not too late.
for the market to experience a crash rather than it going sideways for quite some time.
to be confident enough to re-enter the market early enough once things get calmer, and not too early because fake bottoms do happen.
I do think US stocks are overvalued and am willing to do something about it (though to be fair, my marbles are all off the table right now due to buying a house and planning renovations) but I’m pretty confident that if doing so can lessen the bluntness of a potential crash, it is not likely to lead to better returns.
Edit: maybe worth mentioning: not timing valuations (that is, riding the market through its highs and lows at market valuations), means being invested and fully taking the blow when (not if) market crashes happen. It takes a calm and clear mind as well as fortitude to do so. Reducing stock exposure is a way to help with that if the idea of watching stocks loosing 80% of their value (which can happen) without panic selling and while still sleeping decently enough at night seems difficult (as it probably is).
I’d add that shareholder value is king, shareholders drive companies, who buy and sell politicians, who implement policy for their benefit. Many people living paycheck to paycheck, up to their eyeballs in debt, one missclick away from ruin. Not a system I’d love to live in, but will happily participate from civilised Europe.
Yeah, the issue is waiting for 6 years to come back from under water from Aug 2000 to Sep 2006, I wasn’t there but imagine the fortitude required not to say “fuck it” is immense, no matter what the data tell us. There’s a 50% drop between Aug 2000 to Sep 2003, and then another 50% drop from Oct 2007 to Feb 2009. As you know - I’ve played with the same data - there’s negative return from 2000-2009. Of course if you add a market cap weighted international (say ex-US developed) to the mix the blow softens quite a bit, and there’s a little bit of upside too.
That’s a very long time for a normal human to have a sizeable amount of money locked up not only doing nothing (but continuing incurring fees) but also to come out with a bit less than going in.
I know I tell myself “Yeah great, buying at a discount”, but 9 years is a long time. I am barely married for 10 years, but what 10 years they’ve been. Changed 2 jobs, moved countries, had 2 kids… The point I am trying to make is that this is a LONG time. Perhaps going forward there are fewer big life-changing events like these left, but who knows.
but the effect is similar towards the end of the accumulation phase where the last years of new funds contributed is a tiny fraction of existing funds. being <5 years away from potential RE, I’m facing this very issue.
But why this scenario is more valid than the following? (When you do a lamp-sum in high valuations period):
“Starting from 10, climbing up to 11, a 50% drop will leave me with 5.5, which is WORSE than starting from 10, climbing to 10.5, where a 20% drop will leave me with 8.5”
Of course we cannot predict the future! The main point is that there is evidence that High Valuations are negatively correlated with Lower Expected returns (although there is much noise).
Now if we want or can address this somehow is the controversial topic
Your scenario is just as valid as mine, just the timing and rate of growth are different! Guess we need to be optimistic, disciplined, and lucky. Lump sums (and staying in the market) are shown to beat DCA 2/3 of the time.
That’s totally true too, I think the answer is not controversial, complicated, or easy!
we can’t time the market
time in the market beats timing the market
selling at a loss makes paper losses real
having an exit strategy is as important as entering
if you are at 100k by putting in 25-50k yearly for the last 2-4 years and you get a major (30-50%) drop, that’s a great buying oppty
If you’re in 1M+ and lose (unrealized) a 500k chunk and are still putting in 25-50k a year, you just lost 10+ years of your contribution amount for sticking to your strategy.
60:40 was leaving a LOT of money on the table on the :40 end these last 15 years.
The :40 was not even generating positive returns. Simply holding cash was better.
Now we might return to normality, yes. But losing half of your 60: is also very painful if you’re 50+ yo, cause chances are that you’re never getting it back.
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