But that’s just the form for the canton of Zug, isn’t it?
I wrote above:
I can’t find the tax return form for the canton of Schwyz to declare assets, trades and capital gains.
D’oh, you’re both right, “open mouth, insert foot” @mirager
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can we please, please please at admins / @Dr.PI delete this threat and block @kurt2.
We don’t support wannabe tax fraudsters in their assessment on how difficult it was to cheat the Swiss tax administration… nor do we serve as a one-way “help me here, help me there, …” channel. And ultimately, the OP wants advice, but then at the same time rejects advice as he knows better. WTF. Funniest thing is… why does it matter whether OP has a tax form from Zug or Geneva or whatever? The tax system is roughly the same, just the forms are different… so why do we even discuss this crap? Sorry for the rant, but I have seen enough here…
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While I can understand the concern, and I myself do not support the direction this thread has taken, I believe there are intermediate steps that the parties concerned can take.
- From the readers: refrain from commenting (which is what I am doing) and/or mute the thread.
- From the admin: lock the thread.
In my view, deleting posts and banning users should be measures of last resort, to be used with great care only after the above options have proved ineffective.
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Please don’t make up lies like that about me.
I have never asked about tax fraud. I have never asked questions like that. So you don’t need to make such claims either.
I have also never turned down advice because I think I know better.
I’ve just asked for a form that I can’t find online.
Perhaps someone would be kind enough to post a link to the form here, instead of making up lies about me.
Here’s my question:
Does someone know where the tax return form is for the canton of Schwyz to declare assets, trades and capital gains.
Does anyone have a link to the form?
Despite searching on Google for ages, I couldn’t find the form.
I think it’s fine to ask here in the forum.
The form doesn’t seem to be available online. You can download the eTax desktop app if you want to play around with it. While the form looks a bit different, it works like in other cantons. The normal operation is to enter ISIN and each buy/sell transaction, and the dividends and tax value are calculated automatically - or import a eSteuerauszug. Like in other cantons, there is no explicit capital gains declaration in the ‘Wertschriftenverzeichnis’.
That’s not correct. There is no capital gains declaration in ZH (as private investor filling out the regular ‘Wertschriftenverzeichnis’). The tax office may still be able to estimate capital gains based on current and past tax declarations, and capital gains may be visible in broker statements, but there is no explicit declaration of capital gains.
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Thank you.
But in the link, you have to enter the gross income (Bruttoertrag) on page 3.
I thought that meant you have to enter the capital gains?
Bruttoertrag is only for taxable income such as interest and dividends. If you use the tax software and enter ISIN and buy/sell transactions, it will be calculated automatically.
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Thank you.
Does that mean that if you don’t receive any interest or dividends, but only make profits from selling shares and futures, you don’t need to enter anything under ‘Bruttoertrag’?
in german:
Heißt das, dass wenn man keine Zinsen und keine Dividenden hat, sondern nur Gewinne aus Aktienverkäufen und Futures hat, dass man dann bei Bruttoertrag nichts eintragen muss?
Correct, if there was no dividend distribution while holding shares, ‘Bruttoertrag’ will be 0 for that position. (Systematically selling and rebuying stocks or funds before/after the dividend distribution is considered tax evasion, though, so don’t do that). Accumulating funds also have a taxable income despite the dividends not being distributed. Not familiar with the details of futures but the principle is the same for all types of securities.
Let’s sum your questions up:
- In which canton am I least likely to be qualified as a professional trader)?
- Afraid to ask the tax authorities for fear of “stir(ing)up trouble (schlafende Hunde wecken).”
- Is it common for tax authorities to require a detailed report that includes number of transactions?
- Do you have to answer the tax authority where your increase in wealth came from?
- “What penalty do you face if you don’t answer the tax office’s questions?”
- “Criminal proceedings aren’t such a big deal either”
- AHV (social security) contributions are charged on the basis of wealth. How would AHV find out anyway, though?
- Does the tax office report the relevant figure to AHV?
- Again (quote): “Is this information automatically passed on to (AHV) so that my pension contributions are calculated based on this data from the tax office?”
- Yet again, “AHV calculates contributions based on taxable wealth. “Does this mean that (I do) not need to provide any information at all about the value of (my) assets for the calculation of AHV contributions?”
- Once more (verbatim): “Does the AHV authority receive the data automatically from the tax office, so that the person does not need to provide any information at all to the AHV authority regarding the value of their assets?”
There is no bona fide reason to ask these questions. In fact, there’s no reasonable reason at all - particularly with regards to the tax office sharing your wealth figure with AHV for the purpose of calculating contributions - except you intending to not report but hide or under-report your wealth to the AHV social security authority that calculates your contributions. And of course your refusal to report transactions to the tax authority AND justify increases in wealth to them.
It just defies any logical explanation other than your intent of not reporting your wealth properly to (at least) AHV. Technically not tax fraud - but “only” evasion of social security contributions.
If you disagree, feel free to explain yourself. It’s not as if I didn’t already ask you.
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