So if rent increases, you are going to foot 100% of that increase as well then - while she‘ll still just have to stick to the agreed price, I suppose?
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Good question! You’re clearly pointing out some hypocrisy on my part, because if the price went up, I would surely ask for more. But clearly I made a concession at the beginning and this price held for almost 4 years now. If we were to renegotiate the terms, I would opt for a 50/50 split. We are both healthy adults, 100% employed, why should I pay more (and still am)? But anyway, don’t want to derail the thread.
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No I did not. Source?
It always depends on how you spin the numbers. For newly registered cars over the whole of 2021 in Germany (probably Europe’s biggest car market), Tesla had a brand share of 1.5%. While 1.5% is very respectable for such a relatively young car manufacturer and they did have an impressive growth rate indeed, it was good for becoming the 19th most popular car brand in that market:
Volkswagen 18.7%
Mercedes 8.6%
BMW 8.5%
Audi 6.9%
Opel 6.2%
Skoda 5.7%
Ford 4.8%
Seat 4.1%
Hyundai 4.1%
Renault 4.0%
Fiat 3.2%
Toyota 2.7%
Kia 2.5%
Peugeot 2.0%
Volvo 1.7%
Mini 1.6%
Citroen 1.6%
Dacia 1.5%
Tesla 1.5%
Mazda 1.5%
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C’mon, there is difference between best selling car in Switzerland in 2021 vs best selling BEV in Germany or Europe on monthly basis 
easy to do if you only produce a single model 
Let me fix your stats:
- VW: 15710
- Skoda: 11043
- BMW: 9662
- Volvo: 5817
- Tesla: 5072
better? 
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Quality over quantity… jk. I still believe that every Tesla skeptic should go for a test drive with the car and then still tell me that any competitor is on par wirh the technology.
Go for a test of hyundai ioniq 5 or kia Ev6!
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I’m not a Tesla skeptic, quite the contrary. They’ve delivered fantastically on their promises (albeit always late), the stock had phenomenal performance, the cars are probably better than anything you can get for the same price point at the market today.
(I myself am staying for a 3-liter inline 6 BMW for awhile for the sound. 
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I just wanted to show the skew in stats as traditional ICE brands do manufacture 10+ different models and Tesla practically only makes 2 (3 and Y, but largely similar).
You are neither right nor wrong and not sure why you want to slice and dice just to show different picture.
I consider myself late adopter of technology and I took this message as, let’s say, pre mass adoption whistle of whether EV or Tesla as a brand. Again, just personal irrational feeling without much after thought.
Btw, driving #2 myself.
@MrCheese, could you elaborate more of experience of dirving Tesla? Tried myself quickly model Y - super acceleration to point of dizziness, but found it rather stiff on the road with each bump felt. Didn’t have much time to play with soft and etc.
Btw, one swiss bank has internal team who buys and dissembles things. Don’t remember which model they choose, but outcome was that Tesla was years ahead of any competitor. This was pre-pandemic so things might have changed.
Tesla as an American car manufacturer will never be on par with German (or Korean) quality. American cars are generally built to be fast (usually only in a straight line) and cheap - and Tesla does that well. Minimized to the core and nothing more. Still awesome, by the way.
Then you can take a look at the Taycan or EQS and be completely blown away.
Tesla as a robotics, software, AI and battery company is probably way ahead of the curve. The infotainment of other cars is just catching up from the stone-age, while Tesla owns the whole stack in the car and everything is connected like how Apple makes phones and delivers them into an ecosystem of no escape for the consumer … Compared to a totally fragmented manufacturing, vehicle control and supply chain of traditional car makers.
FSD… well, we’ll see. Not convincing yet, even though they’ve been through millions of miles driven. But the permanent connectedness of all cars and AutoPilot training is a huge competitive moat, and the battery tech price/performance is also outstanding.
My biggest mistake was not buying stock with the money I wanted to pay for a first-edition Model-3 (that is, 150 USD pre-split!). I guess the stock is much better than the cars they make.
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Never is a very strong word. German and Korean car makers might be the Kodak and Nokia of the future.
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Might be - but this was the trend for the last 50 years I think. We’ll see if that changes.
Or take a look at the EQS review videos.
Or just sit into a Mustang and then into a BMW.
Speaking about cars quality we should agree on some parameters. Without them, I can say I know person who likes to cross Germany along in Tesla 3 with few stops rather than Audi rsq7 (owns both). Seems there is something that moves overall quality of satisfaction to Tesla side.
I hope someone would put this into words as for me, adoption laggard, short test drive is not enough to see this.
I like the ride quality of my Model S a lot, but mine has an Air Suspension which is significantly softer than the Model 3/Y ones from my short test drives with those. The killer feature IMHO is still the Autopilot which makes long boring highway drives very uncomplicated. Then the charging infrastucture is just uncomparable to any competitor. I wouldn’t want to ever have to not use a Supercharger due to the dozens of different charging chards and rip-off prices for electricity (most I once paid was like 0.65 CHF/KWh which is more than 3 times the price I pay at home).
Where do I send my CV?
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First timer yesterday’s in a Tesla Y Long Range… as a computer enthusiast it’s live driving a dream! I owned several BMWs in the past and yes it’s another level of quality but you definitely are not gonna miss it (if your focus is technology)
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my current focus is on keeping mobility costs as low as possible within my preferred car segment.
Currently, buying 4-yrs old cars and driving them until they reach 10 yrs of life will give you around 2k CHF depreciation per year plus about 0.20CHF/km petrol and maintenance costs (~2000 CHF pa.), total around 4000 CHF a year (premium segment, you could get around with half of this on an Opel Corsa or a Prius for instance).
This is currently hard to beat with a Tesla based on mere value depreciation and the cost of a wall charger, regardless of super low fuel cost. Happy to be proven wrong.
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