We don’t see many examples of people killing themselves because they’ve listened to Musk’s blabbering on Twitter, so I’d say that just the narrative that the media is trying to create. I think it’s fair to admit that Musk overpromises, especially on the timeline. But if Tesla delivers real FSD until 2025, will you feel differently? It’s not like years passed and nothing happened. We see progress, it’s just slow. But still, the breakthroughs that are made, are impressive.
Btw you should watch a few Thunderf00t videos, you will feel right at home. He points out every weakness and every stupid thing Musk ever said
This has already been reported some time ago, along with the huge spike in price for people who already ordered. I guess they have huge demand, otherwise they would not dramatically raise price and make extra conditions. Looks like an Apple move to me. Tesla wants to lock you in their ecosystem. Drive a Tesla car, own a solar roof and a powerwall, and all integrate nicely with each other.
No, wear a Starlink dish like a hat, that connects to the Neuralink in your brain. Then you can browse Elon’s tweets and memes in your mind, wherever you are.
Of course, that won’t work if you get the wrong Covid vaccine: darn Bill Gate’s microchip will mess with the broadcasting. You should always check that you get the Tesla compatible vaccine before getting the shots.
Desperate attempt, I guess, to turn around (or at least hide and disguise) the faltering solar business they overpaid for when they acquired it from Elon‘s cousin.
If you buy full self driving, you buy the right to the future software & potential hardware improvements that will allow the car to self drive. Nothing is enabled at the time of purchase. Why is it so hard to understand? It’s a gamble, or an investment. Maybe they never manage to do it, or maybe your car is long time scrapped.
It would be a great achievement - and they’ve made great strides so far.
They should just stop pretending and overpromising.
I am still quite skeptical if whether you’ll be able to lean back, watch a move or review some documents on (your car driving itself on) the way to work. It might be less about FSD being impossible - but more about emerging risks. Notably: Hackers and pranksters.
Optical character recognition systems and “artificially intelligent” image analysation systems can be tricked, fooled and manipulated. Sometimes imperceptibly to humans. I wouldn’t even be surprised if some were very low-tech hacks proved successful. Could be manipulating road line markings with a simple piece of white chalk, duct tape or something.
Software hacking could already be done today to existing cars, lifts, airplanes. We don’t see much of that.
Regarding trolling, you’re aware it’s not “just a prank, bro”? You’re putting human lives at risk. If this would happen, police would investigate. And keep in mind, that in a self-driving World all cars have cameras all around them so it’s really hard to tamper with a road unnoticed. You would have to pick a road with no traffic and act fast. You don’t hear people derailing trains on a daily basis, do you? It would also be a low-tech hack. Weld some metal together and put it on the tracks.
You will see self-driving tech improving, causing 10x fewer deaths per 1 million miles than human drivers, then 20x, then 50x. At some point, even including acts of terrorism (lets face it, purposefully killing people in self-driving cars would be politically motivated, so fits the definition perfectly), self-driving will still be a net positive.
Documents sent to officials in California in 2019 and in 2020 describe the extra-cost option as a Level 2 feature, meaning Full Self-Driving is certainly not fully driverless.
It is true that Tesla like to redefine the meaning of words
It’s tedious to keep correcting you Tesla haters. “Oh look, a negative Tesla post, let’s turn off our brains and forward it!”
It would never get approval as a Level 5 feature, so has been presented to regulators as Level 2 to achieve permission for full release.
What seems likely is that by classifying autosteer on city streets as Level 2, it will gain this approval and be allowed out of beta sooner. This, in turn, will mean that more people use it and Tesla can collect data from this massive, live, autonomous driving experiment. This is fundamental for the arrival of self-driving cars. The technology is only partly about how good your sensors are at detecting the environment. The bigger problem is dealing with the unpredictable behavior of that environment – weather, human drivers, pedestrians, animals.
So you see, if you claim that this tech is level 5, then it will get much harder to approve and put on the road. But if it’s only level 2, you’re saying that the driver still has to be fully ready to take over, and you can beta test the tech all you want. The software will improve, make fewer and fewer mistakes, we will see thousands of videos with footage on YouTube where people just sit there and do nothing for hours. At this point Tesla will say: ok, FSD is level 5, and we have millions of miles of real-life testing and thousands of public videos to prove it. It will be much easier to persuade public opinion.
Come on, now you’re repeating yourself. You’re assuming that Musk is a figure of great authority for me, because I don’t think I ever stated it anywhere. To be clear, I don’t agree with everything he says and I don’t believe in his every promise. It’s clear that he has a tendency to overpromise, especially on the timeline.
Judging by what you wrote, you actually understand what they’re doing and why. And your problem is that they are disingenuous? To me it’s understandable that you have to be creative with the authorities, jumping over regulation hoops. You have to be cautious what you officially state. What is the point of labeling FSD as level 5 if we know it’s not ready yet. It’s no secret, just fire up a YouTube video and you will see drivers taking over time and time again (in the most recent video the guy from Hyperdrive said that driving over California, he has to intervene once every 30 min on average).
Saying its level 5 would be like saying that the driver can take a nap, which he can’t yet. In beta tests you want to minimize risk and want your drivers to be as alert as possible.
By the way, since an under-$200k refreshed Model S can do 0-100 km/h in under 2 seconds (and the upcoming Roadster too), supercar manufacturers started saying 0-100 does not matter to them anymore. So they will not boast sth like 2.9 sec 0-100 km/h!!! anymore. So, cars explicitly built for SPEED and acceleration are no longer about it, go figure . I guess now they will just look fast when you’re strolling through Uraniastrasse, revving high to make sure all the pedestrians notice.
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