After a lot of research I am finally making the step (hopefully) towards an early retirement. I am just uncertain about which fund to go for and maybe you guys could give a suggestion? Anything is truly welcomed.
I am considering to put 80% into a fund and leave the other 20% in cash, which I might move into bonds at a much later stage if it makes sense.
Are you sure? SWDA has 0.20% and EIMI has 0.18%, while the UCITS version of the Vanguard one that you can get in Europe has 0.25%.
If you want it cheap you have to buy the US one, but there is a 60k limit or so if you donât want to have problems with inheritance taxes when you die.
My bad, for some reason I thought the combined TER for them was 0.28%. I think I will go for SWDA and EIMI. I was also double checking the factsheets last night and I prefer it over VWRL.
One thing to consider is the trading currency. VWRL is being traded in CHF while SWDA is traded in USD. If youâre at an expensive broker like me (hopefully changing soon) you will be facing currency-conversion fees of 0.5-1% each trade (one way, same for selling).
@DukkelWurst
Thatâs hard to say. I havenât done the math, itâd depend on how much you buy / how big your stash is. Currency-conversion is a one-time fee while TER is a recurring fee. If you have a lot of money already the difference in TER might exceed the fee you will have to pay to buy USD with your CHF.
I am planning on starting slowly just to get the hang of things. Iâll most probably invest every quarter. Iâll definitely consider the currency-conversion. Thanks for the heads up.
Youâre comparing these costs over a holding period of merely a year. Holding such funds over just a year is more short-term speculation than investment. And there are probably better products for short-term speculation.
For a longer-term investment though, is is virtually like comparing one-time initial fees. But honestly, is it worth worrying about the cost equivalent of two cups of beer on a 5-figure (10k) investment?
Since the ETF doesnât issue a dividend, Degiro shouldnât charge a dividend processing fee on it.
Thanks for writing what I had in mind! People obsess too much about saving a penny on lower TER, but they stick with Degiro over IB. Calculating for 1 year makes indeed no sense.
You are absolutely right that the long-term cost should be compared. My investment horizon is 10+ years and I aim for a portfolio covering the world market. I apologize that I did not mention this in my initial post. I decided for Degiro, as I donât think that my investment reaches 100k soon. I know that the actual break-even is lower due to withholding tax reason.
I updated my calculation for 1, 5 and 10 years and included VEVE and VHVE as well. Those look attractive, but especially the latter has a very low fund size (24M CHF).
If you plan to, you could opt for VWRL/VWRA from the get-go (unless you want to under-/overweight EM compared to the all-world funds).
If you plan to make more regular smaller transactions, I would consider open up an account with one the German online banks / brokers.
0.4% to move your money over to EUR (TransferWise, exchangemarket)
simple pricing, no upkeep/custody fees on the brokerage account
regular smaller investments in ETFs are cheap or free on savings plans (possibly beware of spread / execution prices, but wonât really matter for small amounts)
account handled by well-reputed banks
free securities transfer to other banks/brokers within Germany
Is it the absolute cheapest option? Maybe not. But Iâd very much prefer that simplicity and stability over DEGIRO. Who, by the way, are linking to two differing fee schedules on their Swiss website, depending on the language (If you switch their websiteâs language to English, while still showing Switzerland as the country, the linked pricing PDF shows German markets as the home market). Theyâre just giving me a bad vibe, somehow.
EDIT: I do speak German, forget about (most) German brokers if you donât.
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