Depends a bit on how you do it, and how you back it up.
Certainly lecturing Messi on football is crazy.
But one example: The big guys in the gym don‘t necessarily have good knowledge about training (quite often actually in my experience).
A lot of them will have achieved their size with a combination of genetics and steroids. And regardless of what they would have followed for a diet and training plan, would have gotten big.
You can absolutely still point out sub-optimal strategies, even with people who followed them for decades and it worked for them.
In the investing world for example: Maybe they have so much money, no matter the portfolio and strategy, they never withdraw more than 2%, and anything they do works essentially, as long as you are taking suffiecient compensated risk (and there is a million ways to do this).
Not wanting to critize divdiend strategies with that or whatever. In the right circumstances, it can absolutely make sense.
Hah, you got me as I am a gym guy and sometimes see the steroid freaks doing comically bad stuff, or what I call micro exercises (like loading 200kg bench press and doing essentially 10cm movements, supported by bars etc).
Even though i don’t like people leaving the forum due to some disagreements, I think there are two points to think about
what is more preferable -: some posts which break the rules with a lot which add value or lot of posts which follow the rules but don’t add much value.
if something like this happens again, what do we expect from Mods? Are we only talking about this because two value adding members left or we would have done the same for any new member too? Its important to be consistent either ways
I wanted to look up the discussion around Employer’s Exploitation that took place in January (wife looking for husband’s 2nd pillar money). I can find it anymore. Unfortunately, it seems this whole thread was also deleted without any notification. A real shame …
I think we can have both though I think what some are referring to in the quality of participation of some posters comes down to different investing styles (active vs passive, custom designed mechanical vs all world all caps, derivatives vs stocks/bonds, etc.). I think both styles can live together too.
In this specific case, I think the reason we have to choose, which didn’t absolutely have to be is because:
We have big egos. Some posters have achieved financial success with huge salaries and/or wealth. Others have less financial success to display but have a good understanding and smarts to display. To make things more confusing, financial success isn’t solely a function of one’s qualities (though having those certainly helps and we have people who I’d say have both, which I admire).
We wouldn’t be talking about this without egos interfering.
That and :
I understand moderating takes time and energy but many of these reactions happen when threads disappear without notice. I would prefer threads getting locked rather than hidden, though I can understand a desire for cleanliness for the forum.
It may not help in the case of the thread mentioned by gaijin, as I don’t recall if and why it was hidden, but sending a notice to the OP when a thread is hidden and/or locking it for some time with a message to let the participants know what happened before hidding it after some time might help calm down spirits. It won’t solve everything (only policing ourselves, which means having these kinds of discussions once in a while will) but it may reduce the pressure some.
I know sending PMs to people takes time and we then have to deal with their answer which may not bring much in terms of de-escalating and take moderators’ time but I don’t think most moderating actions require immediacy (some do) so if sending a PM or letting a message on the thread and locking it is at all an option but it requires time and/or mental availability a mod may not currently have, waiting a bit and closing the thread when time is available for more communication might be worth it.
Regarding the Employer’s Exploitation thread, most “deleted” topics usually are simply hidden and can be found by a Google search. For this one, it seems it’s been either actually deleted or moved to a place only available to moderators/the forum owner. My guess is legality was at play but I can’t say for sure.
why would a “swiss forum” be in the .co.uk domain and not ch? weird
does anybody use that forum? is it useful? is moderation relaxed and people can exercise their freedom of speech?
on a serious note, X isn’t comparable to a forum, because discussions die out pretty quickly, while branching out to several sub-discussions. in a forum, with a single thread, you can rely on that everybody read all the same posts and has the same context. so it’s more similar to a group discussion. X is more like “hey this is what i think”, and then you have 100 sub-discussions tearing this opinion apart.
I take part in many forums, and I would say for most of them, nobody is happy with moderation. Why? Because if you moderate something, then somebody is unhappy, if you don’t moderate something, then somebody else is unhappy.
It’s a no-win situation.
Let’s accept that we are all human and we make mistakes. This includes both users in what we post and moderators in how they moderate. Let’s allow a bit of grace for both users and moderators to make mistakes and things will be much better.
You really don’t get it or you don’t want to get it?
Creating an account and reading threads, and posting and figuring out if it’s a nice forum, that all takes time. Imagine you need to do that 10 times before finding out.
And asking the forum members of one forum you’re active on, what other forums they recommend… is that so radical? Especially that we’re on the topic of things that we’re not supposed to write here. It’s an obvious thing to ask ok, do you guys know a place where these things can be discussed? I suppose it’s a better option than fighting moderation in a forum, where this stuff isn’t welcome?
You seem unhappy that people would exchange links to some other forums they might be interested in. Why? What do you care? If these people are gone from here, you should be happy.
Go to the other forum, register with a throw away E-Mail address, ask them if they support free speak on political topics, wait two days to see hoth if your user gets blocked and how the community responds, deccode then if you invest time in the new forum. But DO NOT ask us here about the other playe (other than PMs to members you know where active there as well).
And general advice, forget the hiccup here and move on - not nescecqrily from this place but from the issue.
It’s not the question per se. Rather, that the post as a whole repeatedly brings up the topic of “everything is bad here!!!111!!!1” again and again. I like it here! But I’m tired that for a week now, this one topic has been omnipresent in the forum. At some point, the topic must be ended.
But what is it that you want to discuss? This is a FIRE forum and the rules on no politics are clear.
The other forum you mentioned is neither a FIRE forum, nor a politics forum. I think the key is to find the right forum for your topics.
I also post a bit on AI etc. here and it is nice to have a bit of leeway to touch on off topic issues, but for detailed and in depth discussions on AI, I go to specific forums to discuss the technical topics.
It’s simple. We should not discuss non-fire topics here. So I was wondering if anybody knows a forum where these other topics are being discussed. And yet I’m met with snarky comments, passive aggressive talk, calls for ending the discussion, sarcasm. People, really, I don’t need your negativity. Just keep on walking if this does not concern you.
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