Coronavirus: when do we reach the bottom of the dip?

very fair point. another interesting question: is the interest rate ever going back above 0% given that most developed societies are older / have too much savings? if no, will all banks look like japanese (effectively going side ways since decades) since it is a lot harder to make money that way.

professionally, i am over-over-over exposed to the tech sector (rsus, etc). for my FIRE stash i am currently mostly interested in solid companies with decent cash flows and reasonable diversification (ideally also not too heavily taxed at the source). that is what brought my to ISF (currently roughly back to where i entered one week ago - hsbc and shell will clearly get hit … but unilever, glaxosmithkline , diageo, vodafone, etc are essentials).

my dream would be to have a sufficient stash that the VT 2% yield minus tax would be still sufficient to sustain my regular expenses. at that point i would probably really stop watching the stock marktet :slight_smile:

if you are actually interested in actually getting that interest and holding bonds till maturity, you might want to look into bullet shares etf: https://www.invesco.com/us-etf/en/fixed-income/bulletshares-corporate-bond-portfolios.html

(you basically buy 100-200 bonds and you hold till then in a basket. they also have high yield etfs… but question is whether 4% is compensating for the risk of defaults across that portfolio of bonds.)

According to the iShares site "The iShares 20+ Year Treasury Bond ETF seeks to track the investment results of an index composed of U.S. Treasury bonds with remaining maturities greater than twenty years.

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My bad.
The longest US issued bonds have 30y maturity, which means the ETF holds bonds issued up to 10 years back (not 20 years as I wrote above).

US 30Y yield is at a historical all time low as we speak

Buying TLT is betting that it will go even lower than that (although it did fall another 4.5% just this morning which will translate in another large gain of TLT).

It means you would make a bet about long-term interest rates depending on an overnight rate…

Pandemic law gives the government quite a bit of power. It can shutdown public transport, travel, companies and events. Quarantines where healthy and sick people are not separated are not that effective as the diamond princess showed.

Meta thought: isn’t this a great time to learn?

-can you hold stocks through downturns? are you ok seeing -30% at the portfolio level?
-are you really greedy when others are fearful?
-are you trying to time the market? what do you know that the rest doesnt know?
-is your allocation too risky (while you still liked seeing the nice projections when you selected 100% equity and 0% bonds)?

I am certainly acting slightly different that I would have thought just a few weeks ago.

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I may sound crazy but yes, I’M LOVING IT!

I’m having a field day, every day, learning new things which will help me profit and thrive on my way to retirement.

I have lots of positions in my portfolio (as I once described in my All Country Equal Weight tilt thread).

There are indices which are at multi year lows (Chile etf, ECH is 1$ from touching the 2008 crisis levels).

I’m taking lots of risks now, but I really feel confident doing it.

I also think we’ve been miseducating people about bond allocation in portfolios. Nobody holds long term bonds for their coupon but for price appreciation on downturns. Bonds are the single reverse-correlated asset to stocks, and it’s for times like this it’s worth to have them.

EDIT: Bond market panic continues. US30Y yields crashed -9.5% just this morning. TLT will be very green today.

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I wish I could be 200% stocks right now

you can – just buy UPRO etf and you are even 300% long

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I just asked IB for permission to trade leveraged products and I intend to buy TMV (Direxion Daily 20+ Year Treasury Bear 3X) :slight_smile:

Stocks I have enough of and for the long term.

Well everybody should begin to understand what they invest in. For ETF’s the minimum is to read the fact sheet. For bonds, it’s crucial to understand the relationship between coupon, duration and yield before you click on the ā€œBuyā€ button!

Be careful with your bets… You may end up HODLing a position with a yield below inflation rate for the next 20 years, and perhaps a deeply depreciated value if rates bottom…

I’ve found a very interesting interview about the confusion stocks vs. bonds: people gambling with bonds, and buying stocks as if they were bonds (and confusing dividends for coupons).
Link here.
In French. The title is ā€œHouston, we have… two problemsā€.

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Yeah but with the daily reset it is not exactly the same as being 300% long.

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Obviously there is some tumult in the credit market… I’d be curious how Deutsche Bank’s €43 Trillion credit derivative portfolio is doing :wink: .

So we are back to last weeks level.

well ubs is below 10 chf … cs also not looking great.

Hi, is this one: https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/funds-and-etfs/tlt/dividend-history
I have AGG since may last year. I use instead of cash. With the cash I buy always AGG. When I think a ETF or company is a good buy, I sell some AGG and buy the company.

Instead of having money stopped I have some returns while I wait. Last month data:

Not only not loosing money but wining. Add also the dividends ~ 2% on top.

Regards.

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Forget the rate cut, the Fed has just released a strong medicine:
Bullard.
ā€œEverything is on the table. We’re willing to do more. We can meet at any time. We can move at any time.ā€

I have 60% of my portfolio in fixed allocations of VTI,VEA, IEMG, VSS and VTI. 40% are invested in dynamic allocations of (VTI, TLT, KWEB, PBW, VDE) and sometimes I add some single stocks. In January I thought the near-east conflict will increase oil prices, but I did not look to much into the oil business, apparently america is just pumping too much oil with their gas fraction technique. At the same time I invested in TLT to balance the risk. Both were at low contributions of 2-6% of the whole portfolio. Now I reduced VDE because oil price is going to decrease (OPEC is trying to stabilize it by lowering the production capacity) and I increased TLT (today 4%+) and KWEB. So I did not sell something that went down and bought something that went up, I just rebalanced to sleep better :wink: