I mean, how do you even calibrate your scale so that you are sure that the number you read on it fits the amount of faxes you’re weighing?
I’ve seen videos. It’s laughable I think. You think they vaccinate 30-60 persons per doctor/hour? No way. I’d say more like 4person/hour.
I know they have to track and stuff… but that’s really low.
Please someone tell me that I’m totally wrong.
Side note: with the actual vaccine it’s a bit hard to organize a lot of vaccinations. With the next one will be easier.
That would literally be a no-questions asked operation.
Nobody/Nothing works that fast in Switzerland. Not even the person serving take away coffee.
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The rts website published this data on January 6th concerning the french-speaking cantons, but I couldn’t find any update. Also they don’t say how they collected the numbers so I’d take it with a grain of salt:
The same article also says something like “Starting from next week the number of vaccines administered in Switzerland should be published weekly by the OFSP”…so we should get fresh numbers soon
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In Canton Berne already 40’000 people are enlisted to get the vaccine and all of them will have the first shot before ~ 2 February 2020. This is only 5% of the population but it is a part of the population mostly vulnerable as you have to be over 75 years old to be enlisted. This will not stop the spread of the virus but this will have an influence on death rate and load on the hospital.
I do not accept the criticism about slowness of Switzerland. In Berne there is a portal to register, the first shots have been made, the system is in place for the next 9 month at least. In France they announced tonight, at the news, that it is not clear yet how to register, where it will be made and who will be prioritized. In short, a complete lack of organisation.
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At least this part has been known for a while in France. The major issues there are
- strict prioritization leading to wastage (many country unfortunately suffer from it)
- only 60M doses (so 50% population vaccinated) that will be available in H1 (afaik most EU countries will be similar, unless there a massive capacity increase and production get ramped up quicker than expected)
I hope CH will be better on the first point (I think they will be at least a bit given the priority band are wider, but still it doesn’t seem as flexible as e.g. Israel [1]), and for the second point afaik it is much better than the EU (vaccination for all the eligible population is planned to be finished in the summer, but it’s a bit of a rich/small country privilege, since if every large country had bought same amount of vaccines that quickly that would have lead to a bidding war).
[1] In Isreal to avoid wastage they drop the priority requirements instead of losing vaccines, unfortunately not many countries are doing that (which can be understandable, since it might also lead to abuse like people paying to skip the line, not an issue in Isreal since they secure so many doses so quickly, I wonder how much more they paid than everyone else). I don’t think Switzerland is planning on doing that approach, and it might become an issue in the smaller cantons (the more fragmented/smaller the vaccination center are, the more risk there is that doses go unused).
Guess what…you can have more than one person doing the job 
Two ask questions, one vaccinate.
This is called “whataboutism”. You say we are not bad because the others are worse.
We are talking about a virus that is killing people and blocking the economy. Why can’t they put up a system where you have 10 persons asking questions and 3 doctor vaccinating?
I’ve read somewhere that a box of the pfizer vaccine contains 600 doses that once prepared, they need to use them in less than an hour or so. Is it that true? Then there must be at least 600 vaccination per hour.
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I’d wager that it has at least partly to do with keeping the vaccine popular and avoiding people getting turned off, either by the way they’ve been handled or because chain vaccination could make errors more likely. The vaccines are controversed already, public relationship management looks like an important part of a potential success of the campaign to me.
Not saying that, if that is the case, it is the right thing to do, just that it’s a risk I’d input into my risk assessment when factoring how to best to handle the situation.
I read that when they unfreeze the 1000 doses, they must use them in 5 days.
I don’t think that the physical part of vaccination will be the issue. At least not in most cantons. It will either be the availability of the vaccine or the willingness of the population to vaccinate.
I don’t know. Numbers are confusing.
16000 dosis in Zurich.
400 retirement homes in Zurich and mid march as “end of vaccination there”. 2.5 Months. Say only half of the vaccines are for Retirement homes.3200v/m 3200 in 20 days (we don’t vaccinate during weekends ) means 160 per day. 8 hour/days means 20 per hour.
If each person should be vaccinated twice it means 10 persons per hour.
I’m not good pulling numbers out of my a$$. That first assumption of splitting the number in two is probably wrong. Also more Vaccines should be available soon.
Basically my post is moot.
edit: the villingness of the population exists. All the appointments are already booked.
You just increase the number of people that give vaccines, not decrease the time per vaccination.
I’m just saying what the numbers might tell, not what should happen. I agree with you and I said already before. Also to be picky, it’s probably the number of people that asks you questions that needs to be raised, not the nurses doing the actual vaccination.
Sure - is just wouldn’t change the “per doctor/hour” rate quoted above. 
Because medical questions are (usually) supposed to be asked - and possibly answered - by a medical professional that has been trained to do so. And knows what exactly to ask and probe deeper if necessary. I.e. a licensed doctor ir physician.
Not by some random guy non-doctor. Sure, arm that random guy with a checklist, and he might do just as well as a qualified doctor in 99 out of 100 patients. Maybe 999 out of 1000, if he’s received a crash course in vacination medicine. The 100th or 1000th patient though could be that one patient with an intolerance, allergy or condition requiring special medical considerations or even precluding him/her from being vaccinated on medical grounds.
PS: I‘m not saying it couldn’t be administered otherwise. I‘ve been vaccinated by a pharmacist at least once, for something that - to my knowledge - they aren’t licensed to administer vaccinations against in Switzerland.
You could also argue for taking some (carefully considered) „shortcuts“ as an emergency measure in a public health crisis. I am not sure if Switzerland is a very likely country to do so. Even though it‘s much more liberal in some respects than others: there are licensed pharmacies offering some routine vaccinations in Switzerland - as opposed to, for instance, in Germany, where no pharmacy is allowed to do so, as far as I know.
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The main problem remains availability of the vaccine, you can’t scale up too much since there are not enough doses to go around.
But it looks like Switzerland is not doing so great even with the few doses it has.
According to the rts article I linked above it seems that at least some cantons are planning to be able to vaccinate approximately 0.5% of the population daily on the long term.
That would be a very good pace, but they didn’t specify what they mean by “long term”…
Concerning availability, the approval of the Moderna vaccine today is very good news, apparently they will already deliver 200k doses tomorrow morning.
And this vaccine is much easier to handle compared to the Pfizer one, the vials can be stored in a fridge for up to 30 days.
I keep thinking back to how optimistic/wrong Virginie Masserey, head of the infection control unit at the Federal Office of Public Health (FOPH), was last month when she said officials planned to immunise 70,000 people a day already beginnning in January…
https://www.thelocal.ch/20201207/covid-19-switzerland-expects-to-vaccinate-70000-people-daily
And we’re back in a country-wide lockdown…