Coronavirus: when do we reach the bottom of the dip?

@yakari
Pretty convincing charts.

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I think the numbers in the US and UK are yet to increase at least tenfold (10x), probably more - thus hitting closer to home for major exchanges and stock indices.

My gut feeling says S&P 500 falling back to a (2016) level of around 2000 points is likely, maybe even to the 1500 (seen in 2000, 2007 and 2013), or in between.

Until I’ve seen either of these two things happening, I’m refraining from making larger (lump-sum) equity investments. That will be my own rough guideline.

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Same for me. But til when would you wait for it? Summer or end of the year? I expect in the usa the virus to peak in maybe may, than a few month more of bad economical news, so that the market should be around august at its lowest. Does it make sense?

@Cortana how are you going to invest your 2. Säule in viac: direct 100% equity (=lump) or slowly increase your equity % (= DCA) ?

On Thursday 19 March 2020, the dollar index DXY reached 103, the same level as at the depth of the 2016 crisis.

Also on 19 March, spot copper prices fell below 2$/lb, same level as at the depth of the 2016 crisis, but rebounded sharply for now. Depth of 2008 crisis saw copper at $1.5/lb, so there’s still some room to go lower.

By coincidence, the low point for VT ($54.8) happened on the same day.

Only oil crashed a day earlier, falling below $20 for the first time since the dotcom bust in 2001 on 18 March.

I’d say these are some important indicators to watch. I wont mind adding if s&p falls to 2000pts or below :slight_smile:

It’s been a pleasure guys, I think this thread is now contributing negatively to my well being :slight_smile:
It will be fun to come over here once the pandemic is over and look back at ourselves.

RIP’s out!

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Stay safe, healthy and see you on the other side of virus peak, hopefully late-April or mid May.

Probably not that long. S&P isn’t that far away from the 2000 mark. We could easily see that next week.

I think a lot of the bad economic news will be “priced in” earlier, especially at the current infection rates.

The economic impact is probably hard to quantify, but I think we’ll see a point at which “bad news” aren’t going to shake the markets much anymore.

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PS: Also, I don’t think I would be able to prognose the “bottom” of the market. It might depreciate slowly over months, or even see another crash due to

The main thing I want to see the markets digest (prior to making larger investments) is sharp increase in numbers of domestic cases and deaths, and thus possibly another “wave of panic” in the U.S. (as being the world’s most important stock market). Which, I think, is a realistic scenario, as they aren’t that well prepared and currently probably lagging behind Europe by a couple of days or weeks in infections and deaths.

This is the proverbial “falling knife” I don’t want to catch.

Longer-term, there are of course still other risks ahead. Maybe on the bond markets, with governments defaulting or what not. But that’s even harder to predict und unforeseeable for me.

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You probably have to wait only 7 days…

Probably lump sum as I can’t get unlucky 3 times in a row :stuck_out_tongue:

If SP500 is at 2000 at that time I will be happy to lump sum it.

Waw, “cash for trash” again, but with 3 zeroes more this time!

Absolutely. So stay cash as before and wait!

Switzerland has increased its capacities in the past weeks in an impressive way. The hospitals have increased several folds their ICU beds, moved the employees to new duties. The respirators have been ordered long ago but the company, which is based in Switzerland, is just slow to deliver because it operates at its full capacity. We have masks and ordered more but some are blocked by… Germany. Maybe we should block their respirators orders… Negotiations must be fun :slight_smile:

Testing population-wise is high. Switzerland tests more than Germany (per inhabitant per day). We would all be happy to do more tests but the reagent is difficult to get hold of. US have blocked our orders. Maybe we should block their respirators orders as well…

All spital battalions have been mobilized, plus several groups of paramedics and support troups, people with families, duties, jobs, thousands of them, have leaved to help in civil hospitals and build extra hospitals (we have those easy to build hospitals made of a container that can expand, up to 200 beds in a day).

All this to say that the current Swiss/authorities bashing seems to be unfair, if not quite disgusting. I know people at the federal level and in Geneva (OFSP, HUG, parliaments) who have been working 18 hours a day for a month now to prepare for this and all people are able of is complain and say that it is not enough.

So, whether you look at testing, personnel, hospitals or beds, I don’t think that Germany is better prepared despite having 2 weeks more than us.

*end of rant

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I’m still puzzled by the age distribution of positive cases, my impression is that places with widespread testing have it a lot more skewed towards young people. But we don’t really see that in Switzerland, maybe because the testing capacity is only starting to get online?

That’s what Zimbabwean central bank thought.

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And a beautiful rant it was. I completely agree and i personally think that Switzerland has had among the better responses in europe. There are far worse examples like the UK and the Swedes. South korea, Hungary and Chech republic are even more impressive with their way of taking this seriously from the very beginning, which is good now later on and means that they don’t have to take as hard decisions as some other countries will have to do soon…
But yes, praise to all the hard working people on all the hospitals.

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I fondly remeber the days when Zimbabwe dollar was world’s reserve currency.

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And did you see the response of Yugoslavia? Incredible!

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