Chronicles of fat years [2024-2027 Edition]

Yea it’s pretty bad

However isolated 6% CAGR is not insanely bad or anything. You are still compounding quite reasonably.

Here is to hoping mean reversion eventually does its thing.

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This is in nominal USD with USD inflation.

Don’t you think that what you are doing is a pure hindsight effect? Why don’t you look at World ex CH vs. CH, for example?

How many economists were able to predict US overperformance in 2011? I think it was more or less when the world stock markets were getting out of what I remember as “subprime crisis”.

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Folks don’t you get bored of this? r/bogleheads has had a “'murica fak yeah or not” thread literally daily for the last 3 years that I’m following. Part of the reason why I am no longer following that sub.

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I personally think that already started being noticed. :cowboy_hat_face:
Let’s see how long the craze lasts…

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Warren? Though he’d probably be offended to be called an economist … :rofl:

I’ll quote from his 2011 letter to the shareholders:

America’s best days lie ahead.

Ok, ok, the part about his prognosis of the S&P 500 outperforming the rest of the world for the next decade or so was last-minute edited out from this letter. :innocent:

Never!

a man is running down a street holding an american flag and says merica .

:fist_right:

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MSCI World ex CH vs SPI and SMI:

(Source: Bloomberg. Index performance only, i.e. not total/accumulative return)

There you go!

Yeah, I keep telling you that the home bias is not needed and we should underweight Swiss stocks! You see, I am right!

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I’m still not bored … :wink: … hence …

From today’s Bloomberg MarketsDaily newsletter:

(or maybe I am bored which is why I keep posting the same thing but in different charts …)

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As Tracy Alloway would say: “Flows before pros” :wink:

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Did you try to find a job?

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US investors are overweight US
Ex-US investors are also investing a lot in US

It’s not clear if overbuying is driving performance or performance is driving overbuying

Eventually for US companies to grow earnings, they need other DM and EM regions to buy their products. So in a way investors want companies (ex US) to flourish and buy goods & services from companies in S&P 500. But investors don’t want to invest in them.

30% of S&P revenue comes from abroad

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I‘m glad I‘m 80% into US stocks and 10% of it being in UPRO. It‘s just the superior stock market and will likely stay that for decades.

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Check this zealot out: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bogleheads/comments/15bvmpl/comment/jttdehm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

He’s been posting this list for literal years. Part of the reasons I left r/bogleheads and r/dividends are this sort of zealots (r/dividends seems to have more dividend haters spamming than anyone who wants to have an adult conversation).

They probably don’t have enough intellectual capacity to respond/converse using their own brains so they resort to spamming long lists nobody reads (though I actually did go through these links and read them, once), or appeal to authority.

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the US is the most overweighted market after CH [home bias] among the forum members that participated in this poll. i’m on the other side of that bet, but only due to a) personal risk-mgmt based limits and b) current valuation levels. if the US wasn’t >50% of all-world and not as expensive (doesn’t mean it can’t still outperform), i would/will join that group.

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I found my dream job as an unpaid market commentator.

In that vein …

Despite my fanboy-like propping up of the US economy, quoting Buffett et al, it’s actually quite amazing to me how US assets continue to seem to outperform, given US (GDP) growth expectations are actually lower than “the world’s”.*

(Source: The Market/NZZ)

I suppose one has to differentiate between the strength and reliance of an economy and the proxy of how a market (like the stock and bond market) see this. You would think there is a rubber band between the two, but how far can it stretch?

Seems kind of hard to imagine at this point, but I would expect this rubber band to work – “mean revert” – at some point. When (or if?) it does is anyone’s guess, but it certainly doesn’t look like anytime soon.**

I do wonder whether a reversion would come gradually or “overreaction-snap-back”. Probably the former, gut feeling only though. I think individual companies do overreact snap back, but supertankers like (valuations of) 2-digit multi-trillion dollar economies probably don’t?

Maybe there are also other more self-reflexive and subterranean forces at work … mumble mumble something about … active … vs … passive mumble mumble
↑ : witness live in this post Goofy responsibly reminding himself not to open certain cans.


* Whatever “the world” means.

** Famous last words …

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I think the US Stock market is being pushed up by excessive capital that needs to be deployed. False sense of security based on following is pushing investors towards US because of

  1. US companies are the best and will continue to be like that
  2. US economy is the best and would continue to be like that
  3. US will ensure that #1 & #2 true by any means possible (military, sanctions, geo politics)

Personally I think #3 will actually drive the problems for #1 & #2 in long run because when countries try to keep their dominance using other means (coercion, threats, sanctions etc.) , then in long run they become complacent & also lose their competitive edge.

  • This can be seen clearly when US does not want China to become tech superpower by putting sanctions after sanctions on chips and machines (including ASML). Rather than trying to compete on fair terms, the attempt it to push China back.
  • Now same thing is happening with threat to BRICS. Use USD or 100% tariffs.

The fact is US is less than 25% of world GDP, less than 45% of world market cap and has a debt crisis looming. It is not the only market in the world to invest butt media and past returns are making everyone believe otherwise.
Market cap driven index funds are further supporting this idea because they are tracking investible market caps which is high in US due to higher portion of listed vs unlisted companies.

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One lens that seldom disappoints me is that people in rich countries and especially very well paid non-exec positions are lazy. It’s easier for most fund managers to not challenge what has worked for them so far and consider the US as the holiest market of them all, US Treasuries as risk free and the USD as a strong currency than to take career risk and bet otherwise.

Hence, it’ll keep outperforming until it won’t and ‘we couldn’t possibly have seen it coming’ when it will.

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I am clueless as always, but you seem quite educated about this.

Maybe first, what would be “fair” terms on competing? (applicable to both sides, of course)
Secondly, maybe a little rethorical, what would you expect the reaction of a declining power to be?
(a) Concede (as it’s the fair thing to do)
(b) Fight until death!!
Thirdly, adding a twist, which one is the declining superpower?
(a) China
(b) USA

In my own personal macro book,
(1) the terms for fair terms are being negotiated as we speak, i.e. they certainly don’t exist on an absolute idealistic scale.
Simply speaking, “fair terms” are the terms that work for both sides given the current power situation.
(2) the declining power will resort to a dirty knife fight, retreating into its corner kicking left and right
(3) China is declining – demographically doomed, technologically just mostly free riding on Western technology, not exactly loading up on sympathetic views in my favorite countries list (I’ll give you that, there’s many that heavily do welcome China, but I can’t think of one that cross-sections with my favorite country list).

I’ll save this for another day. Even unpaid macro full time macro commentators like myself only have so many hours per day to set things straight. :wink:

Love you man, @Abs_max ! :hugs:

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I would say the only fair thing to do is to innovate and win. But by creating sanctions simply to stop progress of other countries is not very fair in my view. I personally don’t have a preference over who is winning and who is not. I am also not saying this (fair fight) would happen. I am actually saying exact opposite would happen.

China was just an example because I have seen how attempts have been made to push back Huawei and other companies and even coercing NL to not sell tech. In the end it doesn’t work because China will develop its own tech at some point.

Having said that , most nations work based on their self interest (like they should). So obviously it’s not a fair world. And the investors firmly believe that US would do whatever it takes to ensure US is dominant over long term. Hence the capital flows. Let’s see if they are right.

I also hope that EU also start working towards its own long term interests (of course if US would let that happen :))

Personally no real views on who is declining and who is not. There are different metrics to measure different things. US is #1 and China is #2 and I think that’s why we see all this friction. If China was #10, there wouldn’t be sanctions on getting best chips.

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The US can be successful in delaying China and they can potentially delay them for a long time. Nobody other than ASML managed to get EUV working even without sanctions - China has an uphill battle there and I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes them >10 years to build a machine equivalent to ASML’s current line-up - if they ever manage it.

Although from a personal standpoint, I’m very much against the blocks on China. I do hobby electronics and a lot of interesting stuff was starting to come out of China and at good prices given the culture of cost-optimization there.