Chronicles of fat years [2024-2027 Edition]

My reasons are following

  1. Valuations are very much driven by domicile because local investors tend to behave very similarly. So there we have dependence on how the people and investors value companies in the region.

  2. Actions (good or bad) by governments drive the sentiment of whole market in the region.

  3. Since I mainly use index funds, 62% investment in US, also means a very high concentration on top 10 US companies

Hence for risk mitigation purposes I kept my US allocation to 50% max for equities. To be honest , it’s still too high but since rest of the world have less number of public companies, it’s tough to reduce US exposure to 25%

Yes, there is a discussion in the Rational Reminder community about this topic. Mike Green pushes these ideas, but there is no strong academic evidence to substantiate them. The ERP puzzle is still pointing out that the stocks are cheap.

No guarantees.

Nothing, except that it leaves less than 40% for the rest of the world. I only recently updated my old 50% allocation to 60%. But yeah, more or only US only would have run better.

This opinion nails it: " Should investors just give up on stocks outside America?
No, but it is getting a lot harder to keep the faith" :wink:
Here’s a chart from it US vs. Europe:

Either way, in sum 2024 is going well, so far. Just three more consecutive years with +30% and the thread’s title delivered, as well :smiley:

I think this would only get corrected in a crisis. For example AI companies failing to deliver value, a recession in US or something very serious like GFC.

Until then, recency bias and US centric investment philosophy deployed by US investors as well as international investors would keep the divergence going. As this basically feeds on itself

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The WSJ ran a similar article y’day – A Quarter of Your Retirement Fund Just Isn’t Keeping Up – written from a US perspective.

(even the charts are similar, this must be the same journalist who WFH for both newspapers … :wink: )

We can make a similar chart to compare other sectors of US too. And of course if Mag 7 had an ETF long time back, then the headline would have been 70% of your portfolio is not working for you.


(assumed dividend re-invested)

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Agreed, even on more levels. The top universities, skilled workforce in some sectors, the local market, and yes, the access to capital for anyone with a good idea. Will be interesting to look back in 10 or 20 years and see if they can keep it up, or rather how other regions can keep up.

Maybe :smiley: I’m biased, since Economist and Blick online are my main source of trustworthy, quality news, but it sometimes feels like even other reputable news outlets wait for their weekly copy and then go from there…

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All US Media does is praise US. And European media is only criticizing Europe. This also makes a difference.

This TDLR report is quite interesting

I still remember, first time i was in US was during GFC period. And all I could hear on News was “we have hit the bottom and future is bright”

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These indices typically dont include dividends.
The euro stoxx probably does not look as bad, if you include those.

Maybe …

This chart from the linked WSJ article above shows cumulative returns:

Still doesn’t look pretty for ex-US.

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Yea it’s pretty bad

However isolated 6% CAGR is not insanely bad or anything. You are still compounding quite reasonably.

Here is to hoping mean reversion eventually does its thing.

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This is in nominal USD with USD inflation.

Don’t you think that what you are doing is a pure hindsight effect? Why don’t you look at World ex CH vs. CH, for example?

How many economists were able to predict US overperformance in 2011? I think it was more or less when the world stock markets were getting out of what I remember as “subprime crisis”.

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Folks don’t you get bored of this? r/bogleheads has had a “'murica fak yeah or not” thread literally daily for the last 3 years that I’m following. Part of the reason why I am no longer following that sub.

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I personally think that already started being noticed. :cowboy_hat_face:
Let’s see how long the craze lasts…

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Warren? Though he’d probably be offended to be called an economist … :rofl:

I’ll quote from his 2011 letter to the shareholders:

America’s best days lie ahead.

Ok, ok, the part about his prognosis of the S&P 500 outperforming the rest of the world for the next decade or so was last-minute edited out from this letter. :innocent:

Never!

a man is running down a street holding an american flag and says merica .

:fist_right:

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MSCI World ex CH vs SPI and SMI:

(Source: Bloomberg. Index performance only, i.e. not total/accumulative return)

There you go!

Yeah, I keep telling you that the home bias is not needed and we should underweight Swiss stocks! You see, I am right!

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I’m still not bored … :wink: … hence …

From today’s Bloomberg MarketsDaily newsletter:

(or maybe I am bored which is why I keep posting the same thing but in different charts …)

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As Tracy Alloway would say: “Flows before pros” :wink:

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Did you try to find a job?

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