Chronicles of fat years [2024-2027 Edition]

I’d question this assumption, is this based on data? All continents except for africa have birth rate below the replacement rate. Global birth rate is at 2.3 and declining: Fertility rate, total (births per woman) | Data

Most models are more optimistic than the reality (many countries are seeing birth rates dropping much faster than predicted):

edit: and figuring out how to embrace/leverage migration is probably critical for most European countries, though it also comes with many ethical questions.

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The question is not how many people there are, but how much the produce and cosume in aggregate.

If 1 billion people in Africa climb to middle class, the positive effect on world economy is much better than if it was 2 billion who stay poor.

when certain resources really do run out, we are saved economically by new technologies that use different resources: Haber-Bosch saved us from the guano shortage; kerosene saved the sperm whales from extinction; plastic saved the elephants by replacing ivory.

P.S. Personally I wonder if in my life time I will still have a chance to invest in All-Worlds ETF.

Perhaps, but it has to be looked at more granularly. If more people become middle class in Africa (defined as $2-$20 of spending per day) whereas population stalls or declines in the western world, then maybe companies making soap and toothpaste will benefit, but perhaps those making iphones will suffer.

In your article, it says:

Now, consider all of the doom and gloom you have heard in the last five years. Remember in 2020 when nobody went to work for a couple of months, the national GDP dropped by like 25%, and you couldn’t buy toilet paper? And then we had a pandemic for several years? And then rates rose faster than they ever have before, giving bonds their worst annual return ever in 2022? Here are some examples of what investors and economic consultants were saying during the last few years:

However, when we look at the financial world we have 2 main things to look at and both have been stunningly positive:

  1. Fiscal spending. This has been off the charts esp. with the covid give-away
  2. Monetary policy. Years of low and effectively negative real rates. Cut too fast and left low too long and QE to boot.

These were perfect conditions for the stock market. Rates have been increased gradually in recent years but now also in a cutting cycle.

If rates continue to be cut, even with the stretched consumer and fragile economy, I can see the stock market defying gravity again.

My definition was not correct. I sugest they will reach a similar life standard to Europeans. Meaning iphones, etc…

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If the economy doesnt grow in real terms, but the central banks keep printing… how do you invest for the long term?
Ia there an alternative to stocks in stagflation?

stocks, real estate, gold?

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Stocks agreed.
Gold tend to agree. But as nonproductive asset also not great.
Real estate with shrinking population, i dont know?

My point is, no matter how the economy and population develops, there is no real alternative to stocks in the long term. So maybe we worry too much for things we cannot influence

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I was thinking if the economy goes down, then productive assets will be in less demand and decline.

In that world people will also have less money to buy gold and may even be more inclined to sell more gold, to fund their lifes.

Less people, less money, less gdp, but still the same/more millions of tons of gold in people’s homes and in vaults of institutions.

I think it’s different to a temporary crash or inflationary period.

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Can’t shake the feeling for a few weeks now that we’re about to go on a wild ride…

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I doubt it, but you’ll look smarter than me if you’re right. :wink:

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So when is this thread going to be renamed to Chronicles of flat years?

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VT is up 33% since 1 year.

Stocks are going crazy

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At some point, something will break.

That point could be tomorrow, it could be 2028 or later. People who got out in 1996, predicting the 2000 crash, never got to invest their money back at cheaper prices than they had.

It’s hard to predict the market and our own emotions are poor indicators of where it will go. At one point, the emotions telling us the market is going to crash will be right. At other points, they won’t.

My advice is to write down in a journal when our emotions tell us the market/a specific fund/stock/asset is going to skyrocket or go down, then to come back to it when emotions show up again and see how many times our emotions were right, how many times they were wrong and how many times they were right but the market has stayed irrational longer than would have allowed to benefit by acting on them.

My other advice is to be ready for a crash even in times of apparent prosperity because they don’t always have the civility to announce themselves before they strike.

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Eternally True.

It’s just really hard to predict when that point will be, no?

(Not to take away from your elaborate post, or the thunder of it, but it does feel a little bit like scaremongering? At least to me.)

I’ll thus repeat my reply from above: you’ll look a lot smarter than me if the market crashes next week, but I’ll remain invested, regardless.

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I wanted it to be soothing, actually, but I may have failed at that. The 2028 part was to say we can have 4+ (10+? More?) more years of very good market returns which we wouldn’t want to miss.

I may sound conflicting because I am a bit wary about being too positive on this board, where many people seem to think 100% stocks is a safe allocation and leverage is no big deal. A real deep crash can wreak havoc on that and the people who are on those allocations should, in my opinion, be sure to be ready to handle that, both financially and psychologically.

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Got it.

It initially came across differently to me, but with your additional remarks I can see your reasoning.

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