If so… why don’t pay directly with Neon card? Unless you want to split money into 2 accounts…
Yeah? Neon doesn’t charge 1% on weekends. Why not just use Neon?
the point for me is the conversion of money, not spending it. i want to hold euros and spent the money at a later time. so do the other people affected by the 1250 chf limit. reasons for this can be multiple. suppose you want to reimburse a mortgage in euro for instance - you’d want this to be as cheap as possible, but neon charges 1.5% FX Spread on the conversion for SEPA transfers. by virtue of applying the top up method, you save that fee.
if not applicable to you, don’t use that method.
Why not use IBRK for FX trades?
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Complicated to open.
Relatively complicated to grasp and handle (currency pairs, buying and selling).
Minimum activity fee.
Expensive transfers beyond the first withdrawal each month.
If you have an IBKR account anyways (as I do), it’s a good option.
Opening up one just to do occasional FX exchange? Hardly worth it.
PS: Also, wouldn’t IBKR be slower, due to settlement delays before withdrawal is possible?
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@Kanel: Everything @San_Francisco said.
With Revolut, I can just wait when the exchange rate is good. There’s even an auto-convert option. And it’s instant. I can top up, convert the amount and wire it back to my EUR account instantly. There’s no good alternative to that right now.
Roughly two months ago they removed Switzerland from their country list. Has somebody noted any (negative) effects in the meantime besides the lack of refund / protection for card payments in Switzerland?
From my experience, the exchange rate that neon applies (or Mastercard charges) is always the rate at that moment during the day of payment in which there was the least favourable exchange rate for me as a customer. I’ve done now several payments in EUR, USD, TRY and other currencies, and you can clearly check it: The applied exchange rate is always the maximum (or minimum respectively) exchange rate reached during the day. As an example: If on 12 June lowest EUR price was e.g. CHF 1.06 and the highest CHF 1.08 and you pay with the neon-Mastercard at the moment when the exchange rate is 1.065, then you the rate applied will be 1.08 CHF whereas Revolut applies the real-time rate of 1.065. So, you can be sure: if you pay with Revolut, the exchange rate will be always lower or, in worst case, exactly the same as the exchange rate of neon. Just my experience…
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Doesn’t look to me like that. Counterexample: 18 May 2020: Mastercard had a rate of 1 EUR = 1.0576 CHF - yet in Forex the exchange surpassed 1.06.
That said, there seems to be a spread of around 0.5% for the CHF/EUR pair.
You can’t. Revolut does have a 0.5% weekend surcharge - which is more than half the Mastercard spreads for all the couple of dates I calculated.
Well, I just can speak from my experience. I really checked transactions of about 15+ days in different currencies and it was always like I said. Maybe your example is a bit special since there was a steep rise during 18 May? Anyway, the rate on the first 11 hours of 18 May was about 1.051, so the Mastercard rate was much higher than this.
About the weekend rate of Revolut you’re certainly right, I missed that.
It’s actually 1% now 
I’d think so, yes.
I also checked a few dates and the Mastercard rate did not seem to be the daily high (“worst” rate) to the fraction of a cent. In any case, when you’re only quoting daily, it makes sense to include a small spread that will “cover” the usual daily changes, i.e. reflect this usual daily volatility.
Anybody seen this? They’re changing their conditions:
It’s time to make a move and to open a neon account in order to have a swiss bank account 
I think it won’t change anything for a lot of custommer since they don’t spend more than CHF 1’250.- per month in foreign currency. But I’m astonished that a lot of custommer don’t know about the 0.5% (1% in the future) majoration during de weekend…
For a non-german speaking. What’s the TL:DR of the condition changes?
And will all of you move over to Neon now?
It’s been touched already earlier in the thread (10-15 days before Neville posted).
1250 CHF free fx limit.
1% instead of 0.5% fx fees during weekend.
And some gold/crypto fee changes (which I don’t care about).
For some important, for others not much.
Probably the best way to do that is via Transferwise.
My bad. Thanks dbu.
Wow, 1% during weekends is a big turn off.
How will you personally proceed? Will you stay with Revolut or move on to something like Neon?
If you plan to go to EU during the WE or in the evening, do change some money before.
If you plant to spend more than 1200chf per month every month, get another card or pay up.
It’s not a big deal. 1% is still less than some other CC make you pay.
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I’m staying with Revolut.
If at some point I start needing more than 1250 CHF/month, 8CHF/month for a premium account is not a huge deal (which would be <0.64% for anything >1250CHF exchanged).
And will plan a little if I need stuff over the weekend.
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