[SOLVED] I can not invest in US domiciled ETF anymore with IB

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Next stock options expiration date: May 19th!

Or is it possible to execute calls if we are blocked from buying ETFs directly?

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Just make the 40 trades (above 200k) in a year and work one year in the financial sector - and you don’t need the 500‘000.

They probably refer to FinSA. Art. 4 describes client classes including the “Retail” and “Professional” clients. Art. 5 expands on opt-in/out for changing your class. According to art. 5 para. 1:

According to art. 5 para. 2:

Which also makes you eligible if you have CHF 2 million. But seems to indicate that IBKR is not in compliance because for letter a CHF 500’000 is required in any case.

I fear, they’re referring to MiFID II, Annex II, client categorisation and opt-up possibility, unfortunately. The UK has onshored that legislatin. The Swiss rules you copied would have been significantly more user friendly.

Might depend on settlement: is it cash or physical?

Or maybe IBKR would only allow cash settlement to you?

Do you guys know if you can even sell US domiciled ETFs?

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Yes, Sell button is active.

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These are standardized instruments traded through a centralized exchange. And they are physically settled. IB can’t affect their settlement. What they can do is prevent you from buying options. But it seems to be not the case. And it seems that EU investors are doing it already.

P.S. anyway someone should try it first :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Before buying stock options, we should probably wait until this settles out and we get something a little more official from IB.

Stock options will be great for VT for some investors (definitely not everybody), but an ETF like VOO means investing about 40K at once which almost nobody can do.

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Is IB correct in saying that this is also a requirement for Swiss residents?

Can you still buy them today?

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Swiss residents are certainly not subject to MiFID regulations solely on the basis of being a Swiss resident. However, it’s conceivable that the MiFID regulations adopted by the UK apply to all customers of IB UK independent of their residence. I don’t know whether IB UK is indeed required to do this by UK law or whether they simply treat Swiss residents the same as everyone else to keep it simple for them.

As of this morning I’m also affected. I’ve requested a change in MiFID client categorization, as I believe I fulfill the requirements.

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I had all my open orders for VTI, VXUS and VT automatically cancelled this morning for the reason of “no trading permission”. Annoying.

You can try and request the trading permissions again in the mobile app. You then get different warning messages indicating why you cannot have certain permissions.

One of my warnings was that my liquid net worth had to be higher than my account equity. I have updated that setting now and will see what happens after it is changed.

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Has it finally happened?

Is it described what position? Is working in IT in a bank sufficient? :sweat_smile:

Same here, had my VT order cancelled this morning
 :frowning: I’ll give it a few days, but I don’t expect our trading permissions will be returned unless one fits the criteria for a professional investor. I guess we’ll have to revert to VWRL and the likes for future orders


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Have you considered any “client money” implication, or has IB told you how they will handle your money? According to https://www.handbook.fca.org.uk/handbook/CASS/7.pdf as a professional investor your money is not segregated from the broker’s money :

The firm = IB

(1) money will not be subject to the protections conferred by the client
money rules;
(2) as a consequence, this money will not be segregated from the money
of the firm in accordance with the client money rules and will be used
by the firm in the course of its own business; and
(3) the professional client will rank only as a general creditor of the firm.

I wouldn’t want to make the change to save a few hundred per year at risk of losing several thousands in 20 years. At the same time, it is IB choice of whether to consider your money “client money” or not, so it would be interesting to learn how they handle it.

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No position description, but in my experience they are pretty nasty when it comes to evaluating requirements.

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IB UK does not indicate such a change in their professional client notification, which they would be required to, according to CASS, as I understand it. So I assume there is no change.

Also, ‘client money’ in CASS only refers to cash, right? I don’t hold much cash at IBKR anyway and I would expect the SIPC protection up to USD 250k to apply independent of the MiFID client category.

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I think it only refers to cash. SIPC generically refers to “broker’s customers”, I couldn’t find anything on their web site mentioning that “professionals” clients are not protected. :crossed_fingers: