Well, realistically you’ll get 80% of the range they are advertising as it was calculated with ideal conditions (hot California weather) and the fact that you won’t drive it to 0km range. So 330km for standard and 450km for dual range (in the cold winter probably even less). If she wants to drive to Frankfurt, Paris, Milano, Wien or some other close cities, then it might be a pain in the ass to charge it so often on the way. Then you get some additional features with the higher range. 4.6 sec instead of 5.6 sec for 0-100, so you are driving a AMG A45 or Golf 7R in terms of acceleration. All 5 seats heated instead of only front seats. LED fog lights. Great sound system. All in all just more premium features.
The 10k are absolutely worth it, I think that is out of the question.
That is a tough statment : All the things you listed are luxury items (acceleration of a race car you don’t need, 5 seated heats (aaand the battery is drained), sound system and so on) and have nothing to do with bringing you safely from point A to point B.
Drove the Tesla myself for a while, and I agree it is a really nice car. However I think right now you want to justify an expensive purchase to get that thing by saying it is worth it.
BTW travelling in a half empty car to Paris is cheaper and faster by train (did back and forth for 50CHF cheapest from Zurich, you seem to come from Basel where it is even a better deal since everything is highspeed. For the other cities I can’t tell right now.
Personally I would optimize the car for the daily journey only, means 140 km a day (uff, self- employed and such a big travel ?), one person travelling inside. So as small as possible and efficient as possible. If one or two times in a year you need something else, rent it. In the end it will become cheaper.
That would be the mustachian, optimized way. Everything else is a lifestyle choice
I agree. It seems we’re not only looking for the cheapest solution but we’re kind of evaluating the extra fun the Tesla would bring. Like, if you take it to Paris, you can make stops on the way and turn it into a cool road trip. With the train, you’re not as flexible.
You are right of course. The mustachian way would be to look for the cheapest option and thus not even thinking about a Tesla 3. It’s still a 50-60k car in the end. But there is more to life than optimizing costs, sometimes it’s also about fun and enjoying life.
Really love this discussion and follow it with pack popcorn in my hand. Usually you buy a car out of nessecesy (e.g. more space - kids,…) or you buy it out of emotions. If you do the secnod thing, you try to explain it rationally… LOL (we all do that).
Tesla is a great car, know 5 people driving it and everybody tells me similar phantastic feedback. Buy it, emjoy it and tell us about it.
P.S. My son is pushing me to order the Cybertruck. And I am so glad that the size of that monster is too big for my garage space. Otherwise my triggerfinger would probably preordered that bus already.
Well would not say the cheapest option is the optimised way, Far from that.
For instance I work as an external Account manager, doing more than 40k km a year, and that only because distances in CH are Pretty small. I do not need to transport much material, but obviously a certain comfort is necessary.
For instance I would say the heated seats (or seated heats), for me that is pure luxury (and actually not fan of it), on the other hand having the package for the blindspot, cruise control, lane correction is kind of a must for safety reasons, as well as connectivity to the phone. So I would get my car optimised for that situation. Right now I got a Skoda Superb (all paid by company, just have to add a ridiculous small amount on the taxable income), Got it from my predecessor. Personnaly I would say it is too big for what I am using it for, and will probably get a smaller one. (Reduces taxes and gas consumption, even if I am already pretty good with about 4.8L/100)
Finally my point is not you should not buy it and that there is a fun factor. No denial. Just wanted to point out the rationalising of the extra cost to justify the buy. If you think that the money spend is justified by the fun factor, you are totally right to get it. The fact is however you need a commuter car for 140km a day. For the few times you want fun (roadtrip, getting from 0-100 in 4.6s etc.), how about a rental ? In the end cheaper and you will have both of the two.
I don’t think you can pre-order the cybertruck in Europe? The big one produced in USA will not reach Europe. I think for Europe they will make it smaller and produce it in Berlin, but it’s gonna take while. So don’t feel too safe yet!
A friend of mine did “preorder” it and payed around € 7k down payment (with the autopilot functionallity) to a Tesla seller in Madrid (Spain). But you are right, he expect the car available earliest in 2 years.
OK I see you CAN preorder it, but there even isn’t a full price and you only pay the 100 CHF. And it says the car is in US specs. So yeah, I think they will make a smaller truck for Europe. You don’t actually know what you’re preordering yet, there is no physical car.
Hmmm… that is an issue I hear shockingly often with newer generations of the Autopilot. My Model S still has the MobilEye developed Autopilot 1 and very very rarely (maybe once a month on my regular commute) does abrupt braking when driving close to a big non-flat (e.g. not regular transport truck) truck (e.g. the ones with the big bins on the back or flat-bed tailers, etc.) and usually only in tunnels.
A team mate of mine test drove a Model 3 Performance ~2 month ago. Immediately ordered a car after the test drive (even if he lived for 10+ years w/o a car in Zurich city). Then got it 2 weeks later and drove 600km in the first 4 days. Did a roadtrip to Italy, had some issue with a crack in the windshield, got an appointment to fix it on his way home in Geneva and ordered a Roadster right there in the store.
The guy is kind of FI so I guess he can afford it.
Damn, he sounds a lot like me. I’m in my mid-30s and only got my driver’s license recently, after 3rd attempt and spending over 4000 CHF. The goal was to drive a car on holidays, but… not just any car. Immediately after getting the license I borrowed a Model 3 and went to Austria for a week, made over 3000 km with it . Didn’t order a Roadster, but I’m dreaming about model Y…
Just came back today from 20 days family trip (first experience) with our S (85D) up (or down ) to the southern part of Italy.
Took profit of an EnelX promotion (30 EUR flat for the whole month of July) + the fact that the Superchargers in Italy are still “free”, so basically 3’800 km costed 30 EUR of fuel.
It has been an interesting experience; the more south you go, the less Superchargers or other fast charging points you will find. Then either you have the possibility to charge during the night (which we could do only twice) or you use the slow charging points (11 kWh) during lunch/dinner time or e.g. city visits (with the plus that you do not pay for the parking lot).
All in all it was fun. It needs for sure some planning in advance (during the day, check on the app where the charging points are) but it was possible because the electromobility - in Italy - is still low and the charging points were always available (except once).
If/when this will change we’ll have to see hoe the development of the network keeps the pace…
Same for me. Autopilot 1 is quite “gentle” and you get used to its behavior quickly.
The current autopilot (developed in house by Tesla) is supposed to have reached at least the AP1 level but I still keep reading this kind of feedbacks.
that’s low! In Austria I had the possibility to charge every night. Even a small hotel in a village had a power outlet with 11 kW! I was even privileged sometimes, like in Halstatt, which was overrun by tourists and the parking was full, but there was one available charging station, so not only could I park my car, but also charge it.
You mean 11 kW, or 11 kWh/h
It’s a shame that it’s not 22 kWh, because the Type 2 chargers usually are able to provide that much. The maximum output of a “city” charger is 32 A * 230 V * 3 phases = 22 kW, but Model 3 can only take 16 A, not 32. Supposedly, it’s too expensive for Tesla.
The EnelX charging points (type 2) usually have a maximum power of 22 kW but in my MS I don’t have the “dual charger” option (which was available as an optional when the car has been built) therefore I am limited to “fill” 11 kWh
Yeah, I think it’s a matter of $ and probably they think that it’s not so useful (maybe it is in the US market indeed) but in Europe. would be very nice to be able to use the “slow” stations at their full power and divide the charging time by two…
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. Didn’t order a Roadster, but I’m dreaming about model Y…
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