Kassenobligationen / obligations de caisse / medium-term notes

Investing / Portfolios
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you apply online and get the documents by post, identification can be done at the post office or a branch.

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Was looking at the Cembra possibility.
Looks interesting, yes.
I esp. like, aside from the competitive interest :money_mouth_face: that, in these uncertain times, “Die Kassenobligationen der Cembra Money Bank AG sind durch die Schweizer Einlagensicherung pro Kundenbeziehung bis zu CHF 100‘000.-- gedeckt.”

https://m.cembra.ch/en/products/savings/medium-term-notes/

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the 2yr one is quite nice, but we’re currently seeing interest rate expectations go down again for the mid- to longer term. so i’m locking in the juicy 10yr yield (with mentioned 100k ‘insurance’) as a partial ‘hedge’ within my bond portfolio.

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Actually it means that couples can open 2 individual accounts and get 200k CHF state insurance
 without being accused of cheating :smiling_imp:.

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Small question: if I leave the country and move abroad, there is no way to recover the withholding tax, right ?

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Nope, already had that issue

But depending on the DTA, you can declare it in your residency country (kind of like the DA-1 in Switzerland)

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btw, response to another call i just made:

should the interest rate change after you applied online (time gap until documents received & returned and money transferred & note set-up), they’ll give you the better rate (if down => according to application date / if up => the new one).

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One downside is that the compounding doesn’t work here, because they pay the interest out yearly. :see_no_evil:
But that might be the case with all mid term notes, never tried any before.

And this still gets taxed as income, right?

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that part is true for many fixed income instruments, and is comparable to an etf with dividends being distributed instead of accumulating.

yep

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Anyone know of maximum interest cheap & liquid ultra-short term CHF funds (e.g. money market) I could buy with Yuh?

Not interested in 1 year+ funds, as I might need the cash asap. (minimum term risk)

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There are none, as far as I can tell. I don’t see a single bond or money market fund available. The most conservative investment seems to be the tracker certificate “Yuh Conservative Portfolio” with a 0.85% TER, in addition to 0.5% fees per trade.

The 0.5% - 0.75% p.a. interest on cash is the only option on this topic.

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Yuh account itself, no need to buy anything :joy:.

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Yuh it is then :+1::smile:!