Infinite growth

[CryingSofa]

I’m not going to reply very extensively because it’s clear that I cannot change your opinion.

@Pedro

You know IDIAP ?
Work on this subject and their reply if AI exist really it’s simply NO that’s just marketing. You can send an email and ask them if something have change now but not view anything on my side yet.

This is much more useful that your blanket statement of ‘there is no AI’. Now I have a hint to a source (a direct link would be even better) and actually can make up my mind.

@Pedro

Kinect some people call that AI but just processed an impressive amount of data to create a unique person recognition that matches ~9x% of the population. Some people can’t be recognized because only one leg one arm and not match this unique image after an human should improve this image for match more people but it’s stop there. Computer isn’t AI and not “recognize” you just a unique image of you who match or not.

What you view everywhere and calling AI are just complex human algorithms with a LOT of data for try to recognize a face or a voice signature but they are always bypass with a simple picture for the first or recording for the second. It’s pretty hard to solve these simple issues due to computer and limited sensor.

Well, what is Intelligence (without the artificial) then if not very detailed pattern matching? Honest question: Do you expect magic?

@Pedro

I have just checked Quine you have view the size of the article ? (before read)
Just with that I can say you that’s not yet AI.

@Pedro

even the basic random function is pretty hard to develop because random just not exist in actual computer. You have already read the difficulty to create a true random function ? (Random number generation - Wikipedia)

So in your definition of ‘Intelligence’ you require that it is hard to describe (it needs a very long article) and that it contains or can produce true randomness? If we measure by producing true randomness I agree with you that we will never attain AI.

@Pedro

Ok a quine can self replicate (high level language not a low machine language) but it’s still programmed by an human and made always same thing without any modifications.

Now you’re moving the goalposts. I was just responding to your claim that no computer can write a program on its own. But it’s trivial to introduce if/else statements or similar things that modify the code while replicating. There already have been worms that did exactly that to replicate.

@Pedro

A computer should be able to modify one line of code of his own (compiled yet) program/algorithm.

So this?

@Pedro

• You can say me Java isn’t a compiled language but functions are limited to the Java language interpreter itself and too slow for AI who need a lot of computing speed and a lot of change.
• We need a new language/way to process codes/processors itself without need of compilation or interpreter just codes can be modified on the fly and processed by the CPU so that a computer could modify its own lines of code based on the data from these sensors.

You mean we need machine code? Sure, let’s just do the whole thing in that. Ultimately any program ends up in machine code anyway.

@Pedro

I’m sorry but stop to dream stop playing the sheep in front of marketing and go learn or just develop true AI.

Oh well… I think I’ll just stop arguing with you. I’ts not worth the annoyance. Baaa!