Holidays - Most bang for the bucks

A recent end-of-holiday stay in a Greek all-inclusive hotel made me shudder when observing food quality, location and guest behavior. I promised myself to stay away from it and went back to my recent list of holidays to find out where I got most bang for my CHF bucks without package tours.

  • Hiking in Valais Switzerland 2023 16D13N: 75/day (2 persons)
  • Car trip in Western South Africa with flights 2023 17D16N: 143/day (2 persons)
  • Basic group tour in India with flights and trains 2024 27D27N: 112/day (20 persons)
  • Tuscany Bikepacking 2024 9N9D: 100/day (4 persons)
  • Car Trip in Tuscany with hotel nights 2024 8N8D: 93/day (2 persons)
  • Via Alpina Hiking with simple accommodations 2024 (SLO, I, A) 22D21N: 130/day (1 person)
  • Via Alpina with hotel nights 2024 (A, I, CH) 14N15D: 113/day (2 persons)
  • Crosscountry and alpine skiing in Finland with flights and mostly self-catering in apartment 2025 7N7D: 180/day (6 persons)
  • Island Hoping Cyclades Greece with 6 days car rental 2025 14N14D: 132/day (2 persons)

I realize that I have become a creature of comfort and don’t like roughing it out. Looking back, I see some factors for cost savings, some that I follow and others I could adopt more:

  1. Traveling with a buddy/gf/small group for cheaper accommodations
  2. Hiking / Cycling / own car and avoiding more expensive transportation
  3. Avoiding high season prices
  4. Going to inexpensive countries
  5. Avoiding travel agent and guide costs
  6. I am content with leaving a place without having done all relevant tours
  7. Avoiding expensive restaurants and going for local experience / street food

Fun level was never correlated with expenses.

Do you also track your holiday spend on a per person level? How do you keep holiday costs down while keeping the fun up?

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It’s funny I just tracked my weekend trip expenditure.

I was in London for the weekend arriving Saturday morning and leaving Sunday afternoon.

This was definitely not a Mustacian trip. Since there was already cost of flight (gift) and cost of hotel room £230 and train costs to just get too/from and around London £36.

Sunk/fixed costs were already Ā£265 excluding the flight. So I wasn’t going to try to skimp on any other costs.

For the 2 days I spent on food and drink:

Solo Lunch £47
Drinks with a friend £55 pp
Dinner with a friend £50 pp
Iced Drink £8
Breakfast Juice £7
Lunch £53
Burrito at airport £12
Milkshake at airport £7
Starbucks at airport £7

Other activities such as museums etc. were free.

I’m normally a ā€˜carry my own bottle of water’ person, so this excessive expenditure on drinks was a deliberate splurge. I found Ā£14 per day a bit insane, but clearly there were people who regularly spend that and more.

Still, if you take just food and drink cost of Ā£125 per day, that would be around Ā£46k just on food and drinks or around 4’100 CHF per month. My retirement budget foresees only 900 CHF per month on food and drink.

Applying the 4% rule means I’d need to save an extra million to stretch to this level of food and drink spending!

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Uh, yes? I’d like to think so, at least?

But I keep spoiling myself. My most recent (and current) trip is bicycling down the Rhine river (source to sea) and I’m averaging about CHF 120 per day so far (though as of today I’m staying outside Switzerland for the first time (in Germany), likely bringing down the average cost/day slightly).

Fun is up but temperature is pretty much up hot these days, too … :wink:



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Sounds like a great trip! The shorter the more expensive, I guess. Did you spend any money on transportation to/from airport and while in town?

You kind of answer your own title.

I used to track the overall cost for vacations, but now it’s just part of a general leisure and entertainment category. Never calculated total cost per day, though. For some reason, I’m sensitive to hotel cost and flight prices, though.

Totally agree with that:

Most bang for the bucks doesn’t exist in general. It’s so individual.

I got from pretty expensive diving trip on some very remote islands to camping on the lake close by. From hand-picked round trips in Asia or the Americas, which includes long flights, to all-inclusive resort from the catalogue in Spain. From fancy restaurants and bars to night markets or self-cooking. Or a week at the in-laws with the kids, which is basically free, except for the travel, and everyone has a blast except me.

You could keep cost down by staying at home, do day trips and enjoy your neighbors being away. But that doesn’t help if you want to find Nemo or see other parts of the world :wink:

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Looks like there is plenty of places to cool down. And later ther will be wine… :smiley:

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Yeah. About £38 in total on trains to/from airport and for the Tube.

All in cost was £556 excluding flights (which was paid for me).

45% hotel
7% transport
48% food and drink

Afraid so. Route was from Zurich to the tour’s startihg point, Operalppass.

I had planned to go to the Rhine source via Andermatt, manged to rip apart my bicycle saddle while boarding the train in ZRH HB (on a Sunday!), instead got a spare saddle from Decathlon (they fixed/monted it, too) in their HB location.

Finally took the train via Chur/Ilanz/Oberalppass, kind of the valley I would bicycle down afterwards, for a mere about CHF 20 more than if I had taken the route via Andermatt.

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We enjoyed a trip to Albania a summer ago. Beautiful, friendly, cheap country. Rent a car and just explore. Only thing that bugged me was that cards are rarely accepted (even in hotels) and taking out cash from the ATM is expensive.

Edit: and to come back to your question… I do track holiday spending, but never compared the cost per day/person. Might do that for fun…

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How was your experience when communicating? Was English well understood or do you speak by any chance Albanian?

Any recommendations for Finland?
I’ve been eyeing it out recently and would like to go either to ski or just relax in sauna, or both :sweat_smile:

No problem with English - or even German sometimes.

We went to Levi. It offers moderate alpine skiing and vast trails for crosscountry skiing. Very friendly people and prices a bit like Zurich. Close to KittilƤ Airport with direct inexpensive flights from Zurich, Milan and other European cities. Very long winter from November to April. We chose an apartment in town which was not rustic at all, yet had a sauna (like most accommodations there). Might go there again.

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I make a budget beforehand but it’s not really based on all that much just comparison to prior years.

Vacation is one of two things I spend on so I do allow some luxuries there.

I usually love city trips and stuff where I can do whatever I want, mostly on foot. Bonus if there is a pool for the end-of-day swim.

When I’m near burnout I either book a package or build myself a package (usual method matrix/kayak+trivago (the last independent?) + suntransfers ). Sometimes DIY is cheaper, but mostly I do for the customization thing. If I book a package last couple of times I used ab-in-den-urlaub or 5vorflug to look around.

edit: package = typical hotel+flight+transfer kind of holiday.

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The longer a trip the cheaper it gets. I did not go to short trips, worked 7 days a week, made a lot of money and then when the time was right left for longer periods of time.

When I was young I liked travelling on motorbike with my tent. Went for 3 months to Scandinavia once. Did hardly spend any money and it was a great trip.

Went to Venezuela for 2 months, bought a motorbike and sold it at the end.

Went to North America (Canada, USA, Mexico) for 8 months, bought a car, sold it at the end.

Went to Australia 3 months, bought a car, sold it at the end.

Today I am kind of travel tired. I don’t care for money anymore, I spend the money of my heirs so what? I fly business or first and don’t care to spend a bit more on good restaurants and hotels. In my age you learn that time is of more importance than money.

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Learn or your priorities shift?

Moving from lots of time little money to little time lots of money isn’t ā€œlearningā€.

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Actually it is from little money, little time to lots of money and lots of time. But I won’t live forever and why should I be the richest man in the graveyard? I still have a hard time spending money because I remember other times, one week at the end of every month going out to work without a single penny in my pocket! I was jealous seeing the homeless guy drinking beer at the station; he also had no money but at least did not have to work. Probably you need to survive that to succeed with FIRE.

On topic: when having a family you are obliged to do holidays in the worst possible moment: when everybody else does. I did prefer a few months after a few years than one month every year. That way you get the most bang for the bucks!

Interesting and timely topic, but I think, like very often, by focusing on calculating expenses, our average Swiss moustachian forgets to interpret them. Namely, that you should not only look at the absolute numbers, but compare them with alternative scenarios.

A quick illustration: your can

  • buy groceries in Coop and cook yourself at home in Zürich/Bern/GenĆØve, or
  • go to a restaurant in Tirana/Prague/Schwerin,

but you have to eat somehow anyway, right? And who said that option 1 is cheaper than option 2?

I am often thinking if we are spending too much on vacations, and I think we are not bad. For the following reasons.

Now, how do I imagine different scenarios of days of our life from the perspective of our family, focusing on variable expenses.

Scenario 1 (base): working and school day.

Adults bring children to school and go to work. Children are in school and child care. At the end of the day adults pick up children, bring them home, make dinner, and soon it’s bed time. After that, it’s maybe a sofa and streaming for adults, but most probably a shower and bed.

We pay for childcare and food, there are hardly any other variable expenses.

Some days one adult is not at work, so we don’t pay for childcare, but children are still mostly at school and have related activities. You don’t usually go to an aquapark if there is homework to do and more school is coming tomorrow morning.

Expenses: ca. 100 CHF / per day for the whole family.

Scenario 2: a weekend or vacation day spent in Switzerland.

Good news - there are no childcare costs. And you also don’t fly and you don’t need accommodation, except maybe you do sometimes. But everything else is pretty expensive. Go to that aquapark? 60 CHF. Museum, Cinema - 40 CHF plus as much as you want for snacks etc. Restaurant in the evening - 120 CHF. Ice cream on a promenade: 20 CHF. Luna Park is coming to town - no, I should stop here before I start to cry. But you got the point. And when one day you spend more to have a quick lunch for you and 1 child in Migros Restaurant than for dinner for the whole family in a restaurant in another country few days later (real story), you start thinking.

So, if you want to act like you are on vacation while still being in Switzerland, the expenses are, say, 300, if not 400 CHF per day for the whole family.

Scenario 3: a real vacation! You are in another country, there’s sea below, a castle on the hill, and children are asking what language people speak here.

I will not talk about the advantages of being away from your usual routine, which are enormous for me and the whole family, let’s talk money.

Well, like others mentioned, you pay accommodation and transportation. With children, there is not much advantage of staying in the same room in a hotel, they are too young to stay in a room by themselves, so Airbnb will it be. And why it might sound cool to stay in an old house next to the castle, the prices are higher than elsewhere in the city and the comfort might be different than what you expect from your vacation. So, let’s say, it’s gonna be an apartment 5 to 10 stops on a subway away from the castle, where people actually live. You have separate bedrooms for adults and children, there is a living room and a kitchen, a playground and Aldi nearby. You can go to restaurants as much as you want, but if children are too tired in the evening, there are other options.

Costs: around 100 CHF per day.

Transportation is where it’s getting complicated. If we have to fly, I consider myself successful if I manage to spend below 2000 CHF for all flights both ways. Airlines are also known to ramp up prices as you go (extra payments for luggage, etc), and there is not much you can do about it. This range of prices means we are staying in Europe, which is totally fine for me. It’s not like we lack diversity here. If we go for 2 weeks, it adds around 150 CHF per day.

Flights for a family are not just expensive, but also questionable from the ecological point of view. An alternative is a train. Children often travel for free, so you can easily get to, say, 500 CHF both ways for a European destination. A train ride with children can be boring, but can also be entertaining, depending on their personalities and also how you organize things. E.g., the fastest non-stop connection is not necessarily the easiest one.

Costs: 35 CHF per day for a two weeks trip.

After that, it’s all up to you. If you really want, you can spend money only on necessities, enjoy the weather and the city and everything that is in it for free and, under some assumptions, spend less than you would in Switzerland during the vacation.

The good news is, if things cost half of that in Switzerland, you are more relaxed with spending and it makes it easier to enjoy life. It does for me. You are probably not bringing the whole family to the most expensive restaurant every day, but outside of it, you can pretty much do anything you desire.

So, all in all you might spend 200 CHF extra in comparison to the scenario of vacations in Switzerland, but the advantages are enormous. After all, money is a tool and we want to enjoy our lives and spend mindfully, right?

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Out of curiosity, can you share which hotel that was so I can look it up? I am asking as my wife wants us to go all-inclussive next time we go to Greece (I’m from there…) to avoid the hassle of…ehm…living in OUR house, which means we need to shop, cook, clean etc. We’ve been here and it was incredibly good on all points. Full of Germans, signs were in Greek, English and German, even the cleaning staff spoke some basic German. Just don’t look at it, 2 adults+2kids first week of August comes to CHF4000 for 5 nights :stuck_out_tongue:

Food quality being bad is a big no no and inexcusable in Greece, guest behaviour…oh well, that can’t really be controlled and the price of the place has no correlation to the behaviour. Both rich and less rich are equally bad when they’re on holiday.

On the topic of travelling for holiday, I’ll freehand relate what Fran Lebowitz said in Martin Scorsese’s ā€œPretend it’s a cityā€ which resonates 1000% with me:

ā€œI go to the airport, it’s 5:30 AM. I see the crumbled, red-eyed, irritable, tired, miserable fcuks in the queue, lugging fifty bags, dragging children around, and I ask them where they’re going. They’re going to Mexico, Florida, Europe, Japan. I think that’s crazy. I only travel to MAKE money, so I can come back to New York and spend itā€.

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