Hiking resources

Dear all,

Please share your resources for planning hiking tours that include an SAC (T1-6) rating!
Bonus points if they include a search function.
Any language is welcome.

Thank you in advance!

If we get an abundance of resources, I will keep a list in this post :slight_smile:

Tours with SAC rating
http://hikr.org/
wanderprofi.info


No SAC grading:
Swissmobile
Komoot
gipfelbuch.ch/verhaeltnisse/uebersicht
Long distance: Ultraleicht Trekking Forum

Payed:
SAC Tourenportal

Creating tours on a map:
Swisstopo
graphhopper
Fatmap for skitours.

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Hikr.org 01234567890

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Schweizmobil
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hikr.org is for sure the best free resource for small tours (1-3 days) if it is about getting ideas and descriptions.
Otherwise you have the SAC/DAV for mountaineering in the alps (not free anymore though).

Maps : I used osm in basemap with my gpsmap 62, now I switched over to the swisstopo map on the phone in Switzerland, but still using basemap/osm to create .gpx files for swisstopo if needed. There might be better tools now - just got used to it. Didn’t do any stuff outside of Switzerland since I ditched my gpsmap - just had outdoor active as a back up on my phone.
Schweizmobil is not the best for mountaineering tours, but for mountain hiking tours or long distance trails, it is pretty cool (especially the hotel POI list for long distance tours).

Otherwise I am on the ultralight trekking forum in Germany to get gear ideas - especially for European stuff. Ultraleicht Trekking Forum, and it already helped me to get some nice weekender tour in Switzerland, but of course it is more about long distance.

Personnally I am more into ultralight trekking (I am not equipped and not able to do anything above T4 - and some T4 stuff is already pretty borderline for me).

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The SAC Tourenportal

Schweizmobil is nice, but sticks to the official way map, which does not have an T1-6 ranking, and most T5/T6 tours are not official ways

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You got all the ways inside (it uses the Swisstopo base), but it is thought for T1-T3 (marked in yellow for T1-T2/red for T3 in their layer). It has even some T4+ stuff (in blue in their layer), and you can plan your own stuff with .gpx export (also on desktop) if you have a paid subscription. Of course the main aim for schweizmobil “free” is T1-T3 tours which are readily available (the numbered ways), but the paid subscription is pretty powerful (and pretty cheap - 35 CHF/y). Especially you can switch between toggled routing and wayless inside the same route (you must create different tracks for each section), which most application can’t do in my knowledge.

My problem with the swisstopo app is that the web tool is not nice for planning and exporting .gpx files, and the phone app is too fiddly for planning for me (did not tried it on desktop/tablet though - should do it though).

Here I would like to add what amazing tool we got here for free (paid via taxes of course) with swisstopo and schweizmobil, which even informs you about closed ways etc.

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Besides the already mentioned resources, I also like Komoot. Great to find routes near you (including photos) and you can filter by difficulty (although they use a different scale) and lenght.

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Also graphhopper for point to point routes, example: GraphHopper Maps | Route Planner

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Thank you for your replies!
I’ve added a list to the opening post.

Still looking for more tour proposals with SAC grading.

For creating/copying tours, for me swisstopo works great as an app on the phone - @Patirou maybe try reinstalling?

I use fatmap besides some of the ones already mentioned. It adds a great value on planning ski tours.

gipfelbuch.ch/verhaeltnisse/uebersicht

Romandie and Haute Savoie


 I don’t seem to be able to edit the opening post any more?

Hello,

How can I find out where / at which highs to expect snow, with which probability and how much of it at different times of the year?

Planning a vacation with some hiking in autumn :maple_leaf::fallen_leaf: :snow_capped_mountain:

i use Aktuelle Schneegrenze in der Zentralschweiz
mainly a collection of webcams at different altitudes, allowing you to make best guesses

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I’ve just recalled that we have access to historical series of data from the stations of MeteoSwiss.

The OpenData portal if you want to dabble into it from the root: Informations générales | Open Data Documentation

The Explorer for mere mortals like me who like a more intuitive user interface and don’t need to link or automate the retrieval of data: Download data without coding skills - MeteoSwiss

From the menu left of the map, you can filter by parameter. Snow is one but I’d also use temperature since there are way more stations measuring it.

You can then pick your station and follow the guided steps to download either the data for the past year or since they’re automatically collected (longer time series). Rinse and repeat for the areas where you’d be interested to go hiking.

If the temperatures went near zero or under it, there has been a chance of snow in the area said month of said year. I’d use daily data in order to have a usable resolution (monthly data will miss the occasional episodes which are what you’re after if you’re planning a hike in October).

It’s a bit of a tedious process (you can otherwise automate it and create maps if you’re in the mind and follow the steps from the OpenData portal) but if you’ve singled out a few hikes you’re wanting to do, as you seem to have, it doesn’t take that much time either.

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Cool dataset!
I gave it a shot at automated retrieval and built Swiss Temperature & Snow Map which lets you select a date, and plots the average of that day on the 2010-2019 decade (say all January 1st as default when you load the site - ignore the slider saying 2020), with temperature as main dot and snow height as stroke around the dot (you can click any dot and see real values). This is for any automatic measurement station I found on the Meteoschweiz archive (iterated through the list).
As data is sometimes a bit sparse, but altitude is the main factor, I also made aggregate plots on the right side. Was a fun tiny project (may be a bit slow, not optimized in any way).

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Thanks, looks great!

Not to have you spend any time on it but in case you want to push it further:

The plots and legend seem to not react to the size of the screen. On my 14’’ laptop:

The first plot isn’t complete (I don’t have the title, though I can guess "Temperature vs Altitude) and the Legend displays in front of it.

Thanks again for having done and sharing it.

I don’t plan to develop this much, was waiting since a while for a cool excuse to learn API/url calls in python and a bit of vibe coding

Feel free to download the source jupyter notebook at Swiss Temperature & Snow Map and play with it.
I currently fetch temperatures 5cm above ground ‘tre005h0’, with a fallback to 2m above ground for more datasets ‘tre200h0’, and snow height ‘htoauths’.
The list of available parameters is https://data.geo.admin.ch/ch.meteoschweiz.ogd-smn/ogd-smn_meta_parameters.csv so feel free to edit and fetch hourly precipitation ‘rre150h0’ for example (or even feed the script in a LLM and ask it to do so)
 Just need a few python libraries, and starting a local server (instructions at the bottom of the notebook)

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Made the plots a tiny bit smaller though as this is easy (might require a F5 / force refresh as this is CSS based). It is indeed temp vs altitude to guess where the daily mean zero degree lies.

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