FIRE question - your answer?

If nobody expected anything from you and money was permanently solved, what adventures would make you slightly nervous but excited?

Having children.

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Money permanently solved for ourselves or on a societal level (are other people still potentially facing money problems themselves)?

To refine this question: does this mean if you were free of responsibilities i.e. your kids don’t exist?

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FIRE implies that you live from the income produced by your capital. That means staying in the same capitalist system - others work for you, and to keep the same level of engagement in workforce (OMG I sound like a CEO on LinkedIn), they should need this money, not just do it for fun. Your second option is an utopia - nuclear fusion energy and robot workers.

Establishing functional eco-cities in the Sahara desert. That would be an adventure that would make me slightly nervous but excited.

Either not existing or in some way, shape or form not being a constraint (e.g. grown up and independent).

Got it! As I’ve mentioned elswhere, my first is coming in 2 months time!

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Money solved for yourself - i.e. FIRE

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My answer would probably be a bit different depending on the mood I’m in, but one thing I’d probably do is get back to my old ‘seven summits’ dream. Managed to tick 3 off fairly quickly 20 years ago and then ‘life happened’. Starting this summer with building up condition (and losing more weight) with easy 3000m hikes again and then let’s see when nr 4 perhaps comes up:)

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Which are the seven summits, and which three have you alredy done? I am curious since I have summited Kilimanjaro myself and loved it, so happy to get more ideas!

It’s a topic of debate: Seven Summits - Wikipedia

I ticked off some of the easier ones

  • Kilimanjaro (although via the western breach route when it was not yet closed due to rock fall danger)
  • Elbrus
  • And Kosciuszko

Not that Mont Blanc belongs on the list, but had to turn around there one day 400m below the summit due to a massive storm. Being blown off the mountain was not a nice prospect.

Aconcagua is what I’d like to do next but I’ve been telling myself that for 15 years now!

By the way, while many books have been written about the 7 summits, I still love Dick Bass’s the most. He was an executive who did it part-time and was the first to complete the list. Great book to read - fun and inspirational.

Thanks for the clarification.

I like the Seven Summits adventure very much. It’s great that you’ve already started and I wish you great moments in your next climbs.

My end game would be organizing seminars centered around survival in the modern life. Actual survivalism in nature skills would play a big part (it’s easier to feel free to say no when you know you’ll manage no matter how dire the situation can become) but mental health, financial skills, physical readiness, social skills (including grooming and attitude), meaningful hobbies and equanimity would also play a big part.

I don’t feel ready to launch it. In particular, the survivalism part requires extended periods in various harsh environments in nature that I am not ready for and haven’t taken the time to ramp up yet.

Other adventures I’m loath to launch just now but could muster the will to do in a FIRE context involve travel and backpacking (South Asia particularily attracts me).

Other goals would be getting a hunting license, passing the motorbike permit and going for road trips and others.

involve travel and backpacking (South Asia particularily attracts me) => the longer you wait with this, the less ‘nice’ it becomes… with the world becoming one global village, internet, rising middle class, cheaper travel, etc. so many destinations are not so inspirational any more and become a bit ‘lookalike’ - realize that sounds negative, but I’m glad I was able to visit so many of the places I did already 20-30 years ago.

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I can only eco that. So glad that I did my main travel in the early 2000’s without mobile phone and only partial connection (through internet cafe’s) to the internet. However, I still think that there are several regions out there that are still unique. Last year we explored Borneo with the family for 4 weeks which was truly amazing.

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Lighting my grill with my passport would be the first thing.

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Why is that? Genuinely curious (incl which passport?).

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I think I’d just fly out to Asia and take it from there. Many countries I haven’t been to there.

TBH, I’ve been tempted to up and go and leave the kids behind! :stuck_out_tongue:

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Look at my avatar to ascertain the passport :slight_smile:

I just hate travelling, have travelled a lot, lived in the UK for 12 years, in CH for 5 and counting. I just can’t stand being a foreigner, not talking my language, explaining myself anymore…

Doesn’t mean I am any sort of great patriot, far from it! I left Greece swearing at the people and politics, and vowing I’d never go back. I hate so many things about the place BUT they are outweighed by the material advantages (property) and emotional connections (friends, family, experiences).

I really just hate travelling and being a foreigner, and both of these are associated with needs related to work and money, so when that’s sorted…no more effin’ travelling unless it’s for my kids.

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It may even be good for the kids in terms of developing independence. I had to more or less take care of myself for a year in high school due to family circumstances and it didn’t kill me (ok, my grades suffered but i did fine in the end).