…aaand here is the business around the virus:
3rd shot for Pfizer and likely a yearly shot forever…
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They would have to show evidence of the marginal utility of these shots. Those trials are worth doing. Keeping open mind either ways.
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Kind of ironic that EU public enemy no 1 AstraZeneca is the only one producing a vaccine at cost (no profit)
Perhaps it shows how important lobbying and good connections are
So, with flu shots we know how it works. They are strongly recommended by health ministers, yet most people don’t do them (I also don’t), and they’re not forced to. How will it be with covid? Do you think they will force people to take the vaccine? Will they introduce these vaccine passports and allow you to do certain things (like get on a plane) depending on if you got the shot this year?
While this still sounds reasonable and acceptable, one can ponder on how can this system be abused. It creates a basis for an equivalent of the Chinese social credit system. Starts with vaccines, but can be expanded to include other information.
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depends on how soon the infection rate, number of infections, deaths, etc from covid or (covid + flu) match those from flu pre-pandemic.
it can (if stretched to a lot more things), but doesn’t necessarily have to. There is no absolute freedom. never was, never will be. all freedoms we enjoy in western world are within the framework of certain responsibilities, restrictions and reality!
the future might contain some solutions between vaccination cards/app and rapid testing before and after flying or even in large conventions / gatherings. Individual freedoms vs collective health and economy: both extremes are dangerous. some middle ground somewhere which keep moving with the realities on ground.
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Yes, it’s a difficult subject. An individual almost cannot function without society. And the society can be severely impacted by the actions of an individual (e.g. didn’t get a vaccine and infected many people). So the society will naturally impose on the liberty of the individual. I just hope we are not heading towards a Black Mirror scenario of an authoritarian dystopia 
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You are not being selfish, you are just sharing YOUR PERSONAL opinion.
Just got my appointments by SMS first dose end April and 2nd by end May (Geneva). I had doubts whether I would feel good about this 6 months ago but now it feels really liberating feeling. Free by summer. Nice gift for the weekend
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I’m kinda jealous of Geneva, Zurich seems to lagging quite a bit behind (based on COVID-19 Suisse | Coronavirus | Dashboard Zurich has 100k doses unused vs a few hundreds for Geneva).
Nice. I hope to get both shots before mid of July. Still waiting.
Maybe they will just give me one shot because I already had Corona. According to research this would be enough (same protection as 2 shots without previous infection).
According to new regulations you‘d have to wait six months after your infection to get your jab
Damn regulations, they took our jabs!
My gf got the dates today, 1st end of april, 2nd end of may (Zurich).
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Yeah I saw that. I’ll see how this will play out and what the control mechanism is. My GF got Corona too but wasn’t tested in Switzerland, so they don’t know about her.
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Is vaccination “already” widely available in Zürich? We’re still at people of age 65+ or with special health conditions in Wallis (though you only have to wait 3 months if you’ve contracted Covid).
By the way I don’t think they do that for pure gatekeeping reasons, might also be medical.
Similar in Zurich, but health conditions are things like high blood pressure, high BMI, etc. which aren’t that uncommon.
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You can look at https://www.alert.swiss for Zurich to get the latest info about that. 65+, Healthcare personnel with patient contact, chronic illnesses, 16/17yo with pre-existing conditions are now open. IIRC everything except 65+ is new since yesterday/today.
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I heard that Zurich city has the worst vaccination rate (could be wrong). But my gf is medical personnel. It’s weird that a rich country like Switzerland is so slow. In Poland all healthcare and teachers got the first jab some time ago.
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I don’t follow much the news, so you might correct me. As far as I know, the so called “vaccine” doesn’t prevent you for being contaminated, neither to transmit, neither to getting sick. Just help to prevent (between 70 to 95% depending of the product) the worse version. I have no info about the long-covid symptoms and other side effect we still barely know.
So if my understanding is correct, why it’s even called a vaccine? How it will help to become “Covid-free”, open everything, start to kiss and handcheck all again, like it seems to be perceived by a lot of people, if it’s only the tip that is roughly prevented?
Just like any other vaccine then? Your point being what exactly?
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