Coronavirus: when do we reach the bottom of the dip?

You’ve misinterpreted what I’ve said. I think we would see deflation if we’ve got more tight monetary policy (gold standard, free banking or more hawkish FED, whatever). But I doubt QE is making a big inflationary pressure - it’s providing liquidity not increasing supply of money. In other words, it takes some less liquid “money-like” assets and replaces it with more liquid assets (money). This doesn’t change the supply of, broadly speaking, money (money-like assets), but alters its composition.

Other important factor to take into account is that low interest rates (while having low inflation in the same time) is not only result of central bank policies, but also structural changes in the economy (mostly due to decreasing productivity by ageing societies on the demand side, and lots of savings/capital on the supply side). The best case of this is Japan - ultra-inflationary policy of BoJ, negative interest rates and hardly any inflation. It doesn’t matter how much money you’ll print, if there’s nobody to spend it.

PS. I agree that these government measures are short-term necessary, but they’ll be long-term destructive. Especially that they’re impossible to remove even during a bull market and economic expansion (as last 12 years has thought us).

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all these hedge fund managers are just talking their books… this just in from RJO:

800 billion / 330 million = 2424. :wink:

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Ouff…

This reminds me of these bad-math-instances:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/sdut-letters-wealth-2013oct02-story.html

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Unfair! I did correct me already :slight_smile:

You know, it’s like “let’s take away those pesky zeroes now to simplify, I will add them back later”
ahahh. To be fair I noticed like 1 seconds after posting.

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indeed ! The bottom of the market is hard to find these days :wink:

Did you guys read the article in Science published a few days ago about modelisations of the months to come ?

Spoiler alert :

Résumé

Pretty gloomy until the discovery (and wide spread use) of a vaccine

The Guardian has a good resumé of this hardcore technical piece of science, and you’ll find a link to the original study.

Still thinking this?

I’m tempted but I decided to wait this insanity over. I hope my wife won’t kill me. :-p

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Anti-lockdown protests spread in US… Murica FTW :sweat_smile:
https://www.ft.com/content/c8f6f413-39c4-47ce-b1ff-0e02969cb612

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I just found a great visual illustration of quantitative easing (money printer goes BRRR)

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Oil price collapsed totally today, lol.

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-88% wt actual f …

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Soon they will give you money for buying oil lol. I totally see it going below 0 today.

I am in negociation with king Salmane to buy Saudi Arabia

Now down to 0.00$ lol.

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I suppose you already know what happening, but just in case, it’s not far from the truth that people will give you money for buying oil (if you can store it between May and June)

(Future traders want to roll their May contracts to June, but there’s no storage left, so yes technically this could go negative)

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-20/there-s-nowhere-to-put-the-oil

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https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=@CL.1

-10$/barrel according to realtime quotes lol.

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What the actual fudge? I need explanation STAT! Why has this never happened before?

Because we never had a global lockdown with -95% in air travel. No one needs oil anymore and the producers have full storages. Storing it costs way more than 14$/barrel it seems lol.

We are at -14$/barrel.

Edit: We are at -40$/barrel wtf xD

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