[COFFEE] Do you have a war contingency plan?

Say that NATO gets dragged into a conflict with Russia and Europe becomes a military target: Cruise missiles, hacker attacks on infrastructure, …

I was thinking about taking some precautions: Have some emergency supplies, maybe cash (if credit cards don’t work).

Now I don’t mean to become a prepper, nor am I so worried (yet) about the war in Ukraine, but I’d like to have a plan, just in case.

What do you think?

I thought it was Warren Buffet but I can’t manage to find the source anymore, that advised $1000 in an envelope as an emergency fund. I’d stand by that (in CHF), in small notes.

Also, for people who usually keep low inventory at home, I’d consider storing a bit more food. I’d check the expiry date of the medicines in my pharmacy and renew it if necessary and keep a few blankets in case heating becomes hard or not an option. I’d also check my access to clean water: most tap water is pumped, so would not be delivered anymore in case of a blackout.

That’s the low level stuff anyone could do regardless of the risk of war. I won’t go into prepper stuff but mine would mainly be a stepping up of the basics above.

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I think it’s a good idea.

  • Have food and water reserves at home
  • Have cash reserves at home
  • Be fit and train regularly (cardio, strength training, hiking in mountains, be able to walk 100km)
  • Join a shooting club
  • Train martial arts - highly recommend Krav Maga
  • IT Stuff: Follow OPSEC, have backup and contingency plans, don’t rely on one service, one country, diversify.
  • Have some camping equipment ready (e.g. sleeping bag, tent, gas cooker, axe)
  • Have some medical emergency equipment (e.g. bandages, medication)
  • Some ABC protection, e.g. minimum a gas mask with activated carbon filter per family member

Coming from a small mountain village where everytime it rains a lot, water becomes not drinkable, I always have a 30 lit water tank in my cave.
With the situation as it is right now in the world, I’m thinking about some low hanging fruit things such as store some food in the cave instead of the kitchen, as well store some camping stuff (sleeping bag etc) in the cave instead somewhere at home half lost in some closet.

I will not purposely fill our cave/bunker with prep stuff. But rearrange and reorder some stuff to be ready to use in the cave.

With you, I’m never sure when you’re joking or serious… :wink:

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Well, not sure what part of what I wrote seems funny to you.

Our army consists of around 200’000 soldiers that’s probably even less than the number of Russian soldiers currently fighting in Ukraine.

We don’t have nuclear deterrents, so most likely, our army won’t last much longer than a few days and Switzerland will fall.

If we want to avoid that, we need a strong militia / para military groups / volunteers that can help. If in case of an invasion everybody will run away, there isn’t really a chance for Switzerland, is there?

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I thought the swiss defense doctrine is around insurrection, while some of the cities (maybe the most important ones economically) might fall, there’s no way a foreign army can actually hold the country (it’s like afghanistan but with much better equipment and preparation).

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There are a few countries in between us and Russia’s occupated territories - I don’t see it likely that they could arrive til here.
With NATO engaging the moment they potentially try to cross their countries’ borders.

I don’t think that there will every be any threat in Switzerland for us or our children or our grandchildren, so this topic is indeed slightly funny.

Europe and Russians were in wars against and amongst each other, partly because there are no geographical boundaries which makes it easy to move ground troops from A to B over long distance in a short amount of time. So there will always be perceived threats from the West of the East and vice versa. Switzerland is a small country with loads of mountains making it difficult to navigate and also providing little agricultural outputs, much in contrast to Ukraine.
On that topic, if there is any country which hit the jackpot it is probably the US. A small border to the South, barely anyone living, North and East and West vast ocean and plenty of plain land to move goods fast.

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You’re in a shooting club (not for fun) and have gas masks at home?

Missiles.

I’m not in a club but I frequent such facilities from time to time and might intensify this as a hobby a bit. Some things cannot be trained ad-hoc in a short amount of time therefore a continuous effort is required. This also applies to training Krav Maga and cardio / strength training. You cannot just start training it 3 days before you need it.

I don’t have gas masks because this is something that can be bought on short notice if tension levels would increase.

Yes, but in a WW3 scenario it is unlikely that conflicts will stay only in border areas.

And we also don’t know yet how the US as NATO partner is actually willing to defend Europe or if this is more of a lip service.

And Switzerland is not even a NATO member and how the NATO is willing to protect non-members we can very well observe now. They will do basically nothing to protect Switzerland. Yes, they need first get to us but once that’s accomplished we’re on our own.

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Put some reserves in the bunker.
Guess it’s time to buy guns or have a plan to get out of Europe.

If a nuclear war breaks out, I don’t really know where to go. Canada? Maybe Australia?

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That is my takeaway from my time in the Swiss army. Asymmetric warfare is the bane of modern armies. We are locked by the Alps and the Jura, while the Swiss Plateau is locked by the two cities of Zürich and Geneva. Trained and equiped civilians with access to anti-tank weapons and explosives are meant to be a problem for an occupying army.

We would fall in no time, but the militia system makes the army pretty decentralized and agile. Militia groups would not strictly need an actual central command to be operational.

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No doubt. Considering how we could always buy surgical masks (and toilet paper :roll_of_toilet_paper:) even all throughout 2020, military-grade gas masks surely shouldn’t be any problem at „short notice“.

Geographically diversifying my assets seems like a good contingency plan. With Europe not yet recovered from the Corona crisis, and now sanctions, an energy crisis, and the loss of a major trading partner…let’s just say potential for a European recession that would make the 2008 crisis look like the roaring 20s is not as low as I would be comfortable with. I hope that won’t happen, but as the German saying goes, “Breit gestreut, nie bereut”

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And given that Switzerland would never attack a neighbour, that means there’s not much point attacking it. Better to keep a neutral country around to facilitate trade (or store gold)

We might be neutral in military terms, but certainly not economically. It didn’t take long for the federal council to adapt all of the EU’s sanctions against Russia.

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Which one could fight with Krav Maga?

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Why are you trying to ridicule that? Missiles serve a completely different purpose. Once occupants are in your city, close combat systems are indeed important, or otherwise why would most armies in the world train it?

Krav Maga is a military self-defense and fighting system developed for the Israel Defense Forces and Israeli security forces derived from a combination of techniques sourced from Boxing, Wrestling, Judo, Aikido, and Karate. Krav Maga is known for its focus on real-world situations and its extreme efficiency.

If you’re asking me: I don’t think that we’ll have enemy troops here, but missile strikes could be possible? So I don’t bother about learning martial arts.