Chronicles of fat years [2024-2027 Edition]

Yeah, especially expensive stuff like Apple* …

But also seemingly inexpensive stuff like BofA** … maybe he knows a little more than you or me?
(I know, hard to believe, but it’s conceivable?)

I’d personally be a little tempted to do a little market timing with my wallet boasting USD 325 billion in cash … :wink: . Imagine the size of that wallet!***


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*** According to Chat-GPT the wallet in cube size (stacked with USD 100 bills) measures about 15.43 meters on each side. Probably directionally right?
Anyway, it’s not cash cash, of course, but Treasuries earning somewhere around 4-5%?

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Just received Jason Zweig’s “The Intelligent Investor” newsletter. It’s a gem, as always (Sign up here).

I feel obliged to quote from it:

“As you can see at a glance, the chart shows that Nvidia’s market capitalization is greater than the total value of the entire stock market of five of the G7 nations.”

Hilarious, no?

Jason always includes references to art in his newsletters, which I probably like even more, as it’s kind of a little more … eternal?

"Around 1305, in a chapel in Padua, Italy, the pioneering artist Giotto di Bondone painted this figure:


Giotto, “Invidia” (ca. 1305), Scrovegni Chapel, Padua, via Wikimedia Commons

She is Invidia, or Envy."*


* The newsletter continues as follows for the history buffs:

"Giotto’s portrayal of Envy has, in a bitter irony, been defaced by centuries of visitors, who scratched her eye out and gouged off the claws that used to curve from the fingertips of her tiny hands.

But there’s little doubt that the great artist originally portrayed her as blind or with her eyes sealed shut. Giotto’s inscription beneath the image, no longer fully legible, reads in part: “Exposed here is blind envy…”

Invidia comes from the Latin invidere, with the verb “to see” (videre) at its core.

In Purgatorio, the second part of The Divine Comedy, published about 15 years after Giotto finished his painting, Dante portrayed the envious with their eyelids stitched shut by iron wires as punishment for never having seen the good around them.

It’s possible that Dante was inspired by Giotto’s painting. In its original grim glory, perhaps it showed Envy with her eyes sewed shut.

As the art historian Matthew Shoaf wrote:
What [medieval] authors mean when they say envy lacks sight is that envious persons are unable to take pleasure in what they see and misconstrue others’ goods as diminishing to themselves—material wealth, rank, honors, praise, joy, or virtue, for example. Envy, Guglielmus Peraldus writes in a much copied preacher’s manual [ca. 1236], “cannot see good things unless it sees bad in them.”

Look again at Giotto’s personification of Envy. Her jealous words turn her tongue into a snake that snaps back and bites her in the forehead. The horn on the back of her head, instead of goring someone else, stabs her. Envy’s ear, hypersensitive to good news about other people, has grown so large it resembles the ear of a bat. The flames of her resentment, like a swarm of angry snakes, roar out from under her dress.

Giotto wants us to realize that when we envy other people we only hurt ourselves.

So Nvidia is up more than 180% this year and you don’t own it? Someone else made millions on Nvidia stock?

Good for them! Why is someone else’s good fortune bad for you?

It hurts you only if you let yourself be consumed by envy over it. And an asset isn’t automatically a bubble just because you don’t happen to own it.

As Charlie Munger liked to say, “Envy is a really stupid sin because it’s the only one you could never possibly have any fun at.”"

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Pih, only 180?
Those are rookie numbers. :grin:

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You win, hands down.

I’d still say – despite Giotto’s Invidia portrayal something to be envious of – that Nvidia is an actual business making growing earnings …

… while this other, YTD better performing “business” you mention is … well …

… the technical term escapes me, but I am reminded of flies en masse liking smelly heaps out there in the market. Despite their numbers voting today for … elaborate smells? … I doubt they’re on the right, ahem, pile, longer term.

I’m not invested in either business, but if you put a gun to my head threatened my pinky with a nailclipper, I’d pick Nvidia over Palantir any day of the week.

:fly:

:poop:

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Also interesting:

The 2022 decline was not like any of the others over the past decade. Not only did stocks fall by 25%, but investor sentiment went with it.

In November 2022, OpenAI launched ChatGPT which laid the foundation for our current bull market. Without a doubt, this is what pulled us out of the late 2022 slump and started the rally we are still experiencing today.

Since the launch of ChatGPT, Big Tech has added over $8 trillion in total market cap. Because of this, it can feel like the 2022 decline never happened. But it did and it would’ve likely lasted longer had it not been for the launch and widespread appeal of generative AI.

So I have to go back in time and read what all you great equity strategists and IT developers were writing 2 years ago.


Impressive.

Russell 2000 is up like 8%

Another very powerful message:

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Everything is Trump trade:

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In my personal ETF these companies yesterday begged to disagree:

  • Iron Mountain: -8.98% :drop_of_blood: :drop_of_blood: :drop_of_blood:
  • Innovative Industrial Properties: -7.06% :drop_of_blood: :drop_of_blood:
  • Stanley Black & Decker: -4.83% :drop_of_blood:

These, however, also believe everything is a Trump trade:

  • Weyco Group: 18.96% :tada: :tada: :tada:
  • Community Trust Bancorp: 15.36% :tada: :tada:
  • Northwest Bancshares: 14.03% :tada:

Edit: Innovative Industrial Properties is sliding another 10% today … I don’t know what they’re smoking* …

* It’s a REIT providing properties for growers of … ahem, weed. :wink:

when is time for SQQQ? now or somewhere after christmas rally?

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0.8764.

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TL;DR:

If you’re interested in a FASTgraphs view on the stock market – with the S&P 500 ocular / eyepiece mounted, there’s some eyecandy below.
If you’re not interested in making outsized and almost certain above market returns … :wink:
Otherwise do yourself a favor and
Just Skip This Post.

Introduction

This post is inspired by someone who DM’d me, asking for how I use FASTgraphs. While my answer was that there are already a bunch of tutorials for FASTgraphs, I thought maybe I could give a limited intro using about 500 stocks.

While FASTgraphs is really designed to look at companies, it does include excactly one index: the S&P 500 (via the SPY ETF). Looking at the SPY is not best suited to demonstrate all the features of FASTgraphs, but perhaps some of you will like looking at “the market” through this lens.*


* One can always analyze the constituents of an index, or maybe the top 10 or 20 which will often cover the majority of a given index, but that’s actual work, even in FASTgraphs. :wink:


Basic Views

The Very Basic Earnings View

The FASTgraphs founder Chuck Carnevale likes to first look at earnings over time first. This is the picture for the S&P 500 for the past 20 years:

Take aways:

  • earning grew close to 8% over this period of time
  • minor fluctuations in earnings overall
  • the so-called “fair value ratio” – aka the multiple for earnings in a given year – is 15, meaning that the “fair price” is deemed to be 15 times the earnings in that year.*

* The so-called fair earnings multiple line is with regard to expected growth. For fast growing companies, this equals to Peter Lynch’s PEG, aka P/E = G, for “normal” growing companies this results at 15 x P/E, and for slow growing companies the “fair” multiple is the growth rate of the company.
E.g.:

  • fast growing company Nvidia commands a growth rate of 36.79, FASTgraphs arrives at a “fair multiple” of 30 x P/E
  • run of the mill growing company Johnson&Johnson grows at 6.46%, FASTgraphs arrives at a fair multiple of 15 x P/E
  • for no longer growing company like Walgreens Boots Alliance, FASTgraphs arrives at a fair multiple of 9.71 x P/E

The exact “fair multiples” calculated at FASTgraphs are guided according to the above, but aren’t publicly sourced. IMO they seem adequate almost always.


So far, so good: the “SPY” seems like a good “company” to buy given earnings tend to grow nicely and steadily, with occasional hiccups, but those seem temporary.

Let’s add price and a couple of other metrics:

Earnings With Additional Metrics

Let’s now add price:

Looks like price is a little detached from that “fair” price multiple.
But this is short sighted, probably?

Let’s add a few more graphs for potential additional insights:

The white line: proportion of the earnings made paid out as dividends. Currently about 32%. Historically not completely out of proportion, but somewhat low (see a later chart below).

The blue line: historical average – over the time frame chosen in the tool – that the price has averaged around given the time frame.

This is essentially the multiple of what the market has been willing to award for this “stock”, at least historically. In short, the market is willing to pay a “premium” over the so-called “fair multiple” (based on the earnings growth), whether it’s deserved or not.

The full picture adds the dividend yield, an additional measure of how “valued” the market might be given historic measures:

Given this slicing and dicing, the dividend yield hasn’t been as low as today in a while (it is at 1.17% now, it was at 1.4% at the end of 2023, it was as low as 1.2% a the end of 2022).

Changing The Time Frame

All these metrics were fun to look at, but the averaged ones were averaged over the course of the chosen time frame (previously: “max”), i.e. looking back over 20 years of data originally supplied by FactSet.

Let’s now switch to looking at just 2015/16 (when Trump was last elected) to about now’ish.

The market valued the SPY below its “normal” multiple (of then 20.5x) at the time, and expanded that multiple eventually.

Looking at the market today we are at a close to 26 x P/E.

If the market continued to value itself at the historical (averaged since 2016) multiple of about 20.5, you’d look at an annualized return of close to 4%:

If the market went back to “fair” valuation of 15 x P/E, then you’d look at negative returns:

Summary

In my personal opinion, neither scenario will play out.
Given my investment approch, I also don’t really care that much.
In your personal investment approach, may the market god be with you!

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Thanks for this! What would play out in your opinion? I mean if you don’t think the sideways and downward options will play out, the only remaining option is up, with ever increasing P/E over time…?

Carnevale often says prices follow earning, doesn’t he?

November 8th.

Bet that UPRO is printing :slight_smile: happy for Cortana (and us all)!

I honestly don’t know.

My feeling is that markets tend to overreact, so a “small” correction from whatever event might send it down to below the blue line, but not as far as the orange line (unless the “event” is of COVID-19 magnitude).
Continued multiple expansion seems possible as well, but it feels already quite stretched.

I guess we’ll have to wait and see … :wink:

Indeed. I believe these patterns are easier to spot for individual stocks as there are active managers for those, while the market mostly experiences the “relentless bid” from index investors like pension funds that see money flowing in every single month.

But even “the market” tends to mean correct to its “normal” historical P/E:

Given expected double-digit earnings growth perhaps we continue to see extended P/E for a little longer, but I don’t think we’ll see it “forever”.

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My overall YTD performance is +27.5%. I saved 26k this year and made +35k in market gains. What a crazy year :smiley:

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I didn’t use UPRO or any other leveraged stuff, and mine’s at +28.8%. :thinking:
(And in spite of having some poor China stuff in there :sweat_smile:)

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