Well it’s a famous quote describing why (because this time is different) a bubble is not one (until it is), or why (because this time is different) market will not recover from a crash (most recently: COVID), until it does.
Yes, selling and going to cash while it’s near ATH, and then I’ll buy the dip again. It’s that easy, I don’t get why people make a fuss about it.
More seriously, I think there is also a quote about setting up a strategy and sticking to it.
Or embrace the fact you become an active-active investor and act on your portfolio allocation depending on seasonal events. good luck
Setting up the strategy might not be a one time thing though, you’re learning over time about finance and yourself, risk tolerance, portfolio size may evolve as well as non-financial events in your personal life.
So if you think now stacking up Swiss stocks is a good choice, ensure you are convinced it is long term for your strategy and goal.
I saw the video over the weekend, I think, and fully agree with the point about setting up a strategy.
I was genuine about the question of going to cash, never done it myself, though. Somewhere in there there’s Peter Lynch’s quip about more money having been lost waiting for corrections than in the corrections themselves
Fully agree!
So that’s where it probably gets woolly: the way I see it is that having CHF is never a bad thing, I am overweight in US and USD and want to change that while remaining liquid (ie no Pillars), so I’ve been pondering getting SLICHA and CHDVD as they’re both equity, give nice dividends (let’s not get into the tax implications, I know them) and believe (that’s where the conviction comes in) that holding them for a long time somewhat equates to holding CHF with potential for long-term upside (that’s where it gets woolly).
Got about 1 month’s salary in cash at hand at any given time, 3 months compensation by contract in the event of being fired, plus 1.5 years of RAV should count as a sizeable cash buffer?
It does, even more so in a double-income household.
Once you retire, you don’t have those buffers anymore. So eventually, I would also have to revisit my current setup, both for emergency fund and in the asset allocation.
Yes, about one years spending in USD, EUR and CHF. But then I have at least the same amount in debt. Cash is nice to make exchanging things easy but it is not a good store for value. Cash is trash…
Single, still, unfortunately, but working on changing that. No debt, hate debt.
The point is we won’t find ourselves on the street, Swiss or otherwise. If we need to leave we’ll be on the plane the second the last RAV payment is in
Far less worried about retirement as I plan to geo-arbitrage where we own properties and it’s 3-5x cheaper than CH so the same money goes a lot longer way. Plan for JEPx + a rent or two to be covering everything, it’s just getting there that’s the worry!
Exactly. For some nuance, this assumes you can life happily on 70 or 80% of the max insured salary, which probably applies to many people here.
As you said, asset allocation is a different topic. Not needed for an all-in, buy-and-hold investor, but I do get there’s different strategies discussed all over the forum and elsewhere
I see and occasionally talk to Swiss parents at my kids’ schools, real homegrown Bünzli, who have combined salaries of 120k and they look fine, chill, yet I see immigrants like me with combined salaries of 150-sky level and they/we all look like nervous wrecks, all the time, worrying about money, jobs, pensions, insurance.
Edit: that’s not at all a dig on the Swiss, the contrary, us immigrants (Anglosaxons only call themselves “expats”, but I am not one of them) should learn, perhaps.
I’ve thought similar but so what? I mean many of these people wouldn’t know what to do with it, or money, anyway. Many barely know of 3A, for instance, let alone anything more complicated money wise.
I am talking about middle-ish class, mostly ausbildung-only level education living well now, it’s good for them.
A better comparison would be to “regular couples” in your country of origin. They’re probably also more chill than you are. There’s something to ancestrally rooted areas that our new home by volition doesn’t have.
I can worry about a lot of things including money and the rest you mentioned, and then some, but it’s not an existential worry.
Maybe those others have no clue about money and find bliss in ignorance or they do have that big inheritance waiting. Maybe they just look fine for public appearance, or they are, actually just more chill persons.
That’s not something I would add to my worries
I have perfectly chill expat friends who migrated here in their late 20s, are earning 80-100k a year, living alone with no family, and spending almost everything every month and have no regrets, enjoy traveling and buying up all of available e-commerce and sipping $32 coffees every day (Hello, Emmet! )
I’d be worried to pieces, but they are happy. Ignorance is bliss. They might be hit later on in life big time, but hey, we might suddenly die at any time and then what was all that saving for…
They don’t have to, I can tell when we’re talking about what jobs they say they do!
Swimming instructor? “Recycling”? Policeman/Grenzwächter? “Life coach”? Cashier in a bank? Nurse in Kantonsspital (first one requiring higher education)? Carpenter/Gipser (they can make good money)?
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