Chronicles of 2025

Kinda like the old Soviet joke about the plumber having an opening at 10:00, in 10 years, and the client not being able to take it because that’s when the electrician will come :wink:

Incidental and irrelevant but you reminded me, I came across this on reddit and thought it’s a great thing to be able to get a CHEAP but competent small car, it’s a joke that nowadays in Europe it’s basically impossible to get a SMALL car for less than 10,000EUR.

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I am pretty sure that this, too, is a screen, and there’s more give and take behind the scenes than is public. I doubt megacorps like Apple and nVidia can be pushed around that easily, even by a POTUS.

Even if you exclude labour, design and assembly.

I wonder what the cost of all the components that make up a car could be?

10K is decent money to get a decent car in India for sure. You can even get a cheaper one for 5K.

There was a project in India once by big company Tata to provide a 1 lakh car. 1 lakh those days were 1500 USD. They actually built a car but people didn’t buy it and eventually had to be shelved and repurposed. Tata nano

reason ?

Nobody likes to have „cheap car“ because car is status symbol :slight_smile:

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The car in the article costs 3.99 lakh which I make to be ~$4,550.

My point was that I think it’s great to be able to get a decent, albeit basic, new car for this money. You can’t do this in Europe since around 2010 and onwards. I recall my mother buying Toyota Starlets - we had 3 Starlets between 1985 and 2000 when she bought a Honda Civic which I drove until it died from a failed and unrepairable automatic gearbox in 2019. I think it was our first car which had power steering, aircon and electric windows (all luxuries in cheap back in the 80s-90s). Both the Honda and Toyotas were great cars, cheap, looking like public transport inside and with engines boring enough to put a cokehead to sleep but very robust. My current car has warranty on electrics and mechanical components for 7 years OR 140,000km, so they almost wink wink tell you that something will break after that.

Yeah. I agree. Possibility to buy cheap car doesn’t really exist here. Although same cars from Hyundai are sold in India (like i10) . So it’s seems to be more of a pricing thing

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Why can’t we import cheap Chinese EVs? The prices seem very minimal to swiss standards, and I guess there won’t need to be many modifications to road legality

Can’t you buy BYD cars in CH? (which might be some of the best EVs options around at the moment).

I think there are some being sold. CH doesn’t have a domestic car industry to protect, so it would make sense to import the best of what is available from anywhere in the world.

Of course you can, but at Swiss/European prices, naturally. :smiley:

In a parallel (non-Swiss, but brotherly) example:

  • BYD Dolphin costs ~6k gbp in China.
  • In da UK? ~18k (because they added “a few safety features" of course)

(https://youtu.be/hFNE51tURBU?si=O8Q5vMLVLDLH7ONq)

We have to protect microlino :face_with_tongue:

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The EV market in China is in overproduction because the state subsidizes it so heavily. Some EV manufacturers in China can’t get rid of the cars and sell at a loss. Therefore, the Chinese market probably cannot be fully compared with the European market (even with import from China).

According to the NZZ podcast linked above, there are even manufacturers who sell new cars as used cars in order to get rid of them somehow. I wonder when it will collapse.

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Honestly, if BYD made something like a microlino which cost 5k, I’d get one.

20k for a microlino is a bit steep!

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Not quite 10k but a Dacia starts from CHF15k in CH and €12k in Germany, maybe importing from Germany would get it close to CHF10k (is it even worth it?). But I agree, generally difficult (impossible) to find a new car for under CHF20k (or even 25k).

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Gold flows can continue without tariffs. Straight from the source.

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One wonders whether Executive Orders which seem to have replaced oldfashioned lawmaking have now been superseded by Truth Social Posts.

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Looks like it. Wondering though, given the US is still not a Banana Republic, regardless of Trump’s ramblings…don’t there need to be laws passed? Forms amended? Some sort of paper trail, procedures…?

As far as I understand Executive orders are valid until President revokes it. It can be current or future President

for a law, Congress and Senate need to approve. This is why most of these things are executed via executive orders under the pretext of „national emergency „

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Nothing like a good national emergency to overtake the democratic process, right? Say…parliament burnt down…?

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Or, these days, violent crime allegedly rising in DC (while it has been falling)?

I thought issue was homeless people on the way to Golf course. So that was the main problem to be solved which somehow resulted in takeover of DC.

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