I have been thinking about this apocaliptic scenario.
The first would be to et out of the country before is too late - I try to instruct myself in historical events that led to those situation so I can foresee before it actually happens and get out at the minimal sign.
I recognize this is not always possible to predict. The second option is to use my hiking (and swimming if required) skills to cross the border by foot. I have a hiking tent if required, food, water filtering system, etc.
realisticly a weapon would not be very useful, I would be surely killed first before striking.
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Money will probably have no worth; I would not accept CHF 200 even for 10 rounds of amo. Weapons and amo in my eyes are the ultimate tool to protect yourself.
But in the case of a nuclear fallout, also no weapons will help and even a 10‘000 liter tank of water will not help, if the whole soil is contaminated. And I am pretty sure, no one here owns an underground silo with an underground living area with tons of water and food and stuff to keep mentally stable (e.g. board games, physical magazines, etc.).
Indeed, and that’s why I didn’t try to skimp on buying ammo. As long as you have a good place to store it, buy as much as possible just in case (plus it’s not getting any cheaper). It’s also a hassle (heavy!) to purchase so easiest to just get get as much as possible.
Also important to not get too exotic with your weapons. 80% of my ammo is normal 9mm, then the rest is .45. In due course I may also acquire a hunting rifle with some specialized ammo for longer range shooting (.338 Lapua). All in all though, 9mm is easy to get, cheap and does the job most of the time.
If it’s actually that kind of doomsday scenario (in “The last of us”-style, let’s call it Scenario A), then yes, a weapon will be useful.
Question is whether it makes sense to prepare for that (unlikely) Scenario A or for a more likely Scenario B where you have to sustain yourself for a certain period (no power; hide from invaders etc.).
My point is: Nothing bad happens if a “unaware” person in the household finds my ravioli. But if such a person (or minor) happens to find a key to a safe with weapons, bad things can happen.
I guess everyone will have their own conclusion here. I think I would protect my family more by not buying one and therefore be unprepared for scenario A.
These words are exactly what I would expect from Bruce Willis.
I’m biased toward that kind of thinking as a good friend of mine got their hand on a “locked” and “unloaded” gun being a kid and shot themselves in the jaw. Very fortunately, the bullet went out the mouth and not through the skull. I have no idea how the weapon was actually stored (I was too young to ask questions about it, only had the story as told) but I consider weapons+ammo a liability in times of peace (also just weapons because you don’t know what a kid can find and bring home, it simply increases the risk factor).
I don’t think the benefits of starting a doomsday scenario with weapons and ammo outweighs the negative aspects of that risk. In case of a zombie apocalypse doomsday scenario:
I will have to count on luck for the very first part where luck/unluck is the only reason you survive/die.
I will count on skill and preparedness to survive the first few days when shit hits the fan.
I’m pretty sure that, especially in Switzerland, guns and ammo won’t be a very scarce resource and I trust myself to get my hands on one and some. Some idiots thinking they’re invincible with them will probably manage to get shot and offer opportunities in those regards.
There’s a saying in Texas about people there being the most civil drivers of the US… because everybody knows the other person is likely armed;)
Anyway, there are very good safety measures that can and should be taken with fire arms. My ammo and weapons are all in a safe. This safe does not rely on a key but on a code which is known only to me and my wife.
We do have other weapons in the house but some things are good to keep a secret;)
I should add, that my doomsday scenario is not to find a way to escape Switzerland but rather to hunker down and ‘defend’ the house and nearby community. My expectation is that if things go to hell, Switzerland will be less worse off than most European countries. At that point, getting out may be the worst thing to do if even at all possible.
Having said that, having hiking gear (incl. tent, etc.) for alpine camping (>3000m) is a very good strategy: there’s plenty of water, you can hunt there, and enjoy the scenery which most will not be in shape for to get to. Plus, with the right equipment, you can cross a glacier and me in an even more secure area.
There are risks in life which have a high probability to materialize but which you actually can influence. These are well worth minimizing, eg reducing the risk of a heart attack or cancer by living a healthy balanced life (nutrition, sports, going to preventative check ups etc.). Funnily many fail to do so. There are other risks with very low probability but which you cannot really influence. Not sure whether it is worth spending your limited lifetime and energy on these. I know people going completely nuts because of doomsday paranoia. In my view that’s completely nonsense, sad and wrong focus. Life is risky and eventually we will all die.
Normal risk assessment considers both the likelihood and severity.
Now, certainly maintaining a healthy lifestyle is good. But I see some prep for ‘just in case’ as a good insurance. Besides, it’s fun to shoot guns (I think) with everything that comes with the hobby. For instance:
I have a property in eastern Europe (will not disclose where but some may find out the country from previous posts) in the mountains with no strategic location to any potential enemy.
The only thing I have to care about is how to get there and when to start the exodus procedure (imho this will be the biggest unknown).
I’ll be there with folks (some relatives) with a lot of unregistered guns and a lot of alcohol. This place survived many wars (including the 2 WWs).
The gardens and hunting should keep my family +2 fed. Natural water sources makes it independent.
To use your PV when there is a black out you would ether need a complete off grid system or at least a system with a PV Battery AND a inverter which allows to recharge the battery when there is a blackout.
Reason is, that for safety reason standard PV Inverters will shut down when there is a black out.
And concerning your arms: You write to have one safe for the arms and the ammo. Please dont do that.
Rifel, „Verschluss“ and Ammo are better stored at different places. or maybe kind of in a safe-in-safe system.
With kids in the house I would not store these three things accessible with only one key/code
Re 0.22 - you get into the cost/weight vs. stopping power debate there… which could be a 1000 post thread in itself with a lot of emotions (such as on other forums)
Not sure if an 0.22 will be adequate beyond rodents, just don’t have experience with it. What I do know is that I appreciate that my 9mm Sig pistol shares the exact same ammo with my 9mm PCC sub-machine gun. I don’t want lots of guns with lots of different ammo.
It may very well be though that 0.22 is an adequate (and very cost efficient) solution (albeit not for larger / longer range hunting). I never really looked into whether there are good pistols in that calibre to be honest though.
In case of doomsday scenario, the cheapest way to prepare is to be in shape. It doesn’t cost much except discipline, and if the scenario never happend… well, at least you’re in shape
Some survival knowledge can be useful. I think 99% of the current urban population will die so fast in the wild if things go really wrong… “Walking Dead” in real life would probably have a lenght of two episodes : first one the outbreak, second one everyone die from thirst
I just cycled from here to Denmark in less than 11 days taking backroads and being able to filter my own water (which would be useless if it would be some kind of radiologic thing). Few years ago, I walked 300 km throug Scotland in roughly 10 days.
I would be able to just grab my stuff and go, the rest is just mindset which most cushy people don’t have.
Getting ammo and guns is useless if you do not train. Hunting needs to be practiced as well (especially with a crossbow as someone suggested earlier). Foraging food will be one of the main issues.
It’s probably not what you expect, though. To quote the author:
Practical Doomsday is an enjoyable, data-packed romp through the world of rational emergency preparedness. It cuts through the noise of 24-hour news to help you zero in on what actually matters: building a diversified rainy-day fund, staying safe online, and dealing with common mishaps ranging from prolonged power outages to wildfires or floods.
The goal of the book is not to convince you that the end is nigh. To the contrary: I want to reclaim the concept of prepping from the bunker-dwelling prophets of doom. Disasters are not rare, but emergency preparedness is not about expecting the worst; it’s about being able to enjoy our lives to the fullest without worrying about the apocalyptic headline of the day.
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If it is a bigger group of friends or families, your survival chances will increase.
