You could create a survey and get a statistics-based answer. 
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I have a Kia Optima SW 2.0 T-GDI Plug-in and have had zero problems. EV Clinic are always talking trash about hybrids tho 
I still have to decide next year whether to keep it or sell it.
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I had to take my Mazda to the grave as fixing it would have cost me more, than I paid for it used. So I took the plunge and bought a used Tesla 3. Lets see how that social experiment works out. It looks like the Tesla batteries are holding up extremly well in long term, and you don’t even need to super careful. The enviromental factors weigh much higher (hot climate for instance). Most of degradation is lost in the first 2yrs, then it flattens, so its not linear.
Currently have the option to charge at work, where as i work mostly from home though 
Nevertheless, there are several charging options along my daily routine, secondly the superchargers charge close to the the same as I would pay if I charge at home.
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My prediction is that for the next 10 years, petrol (unleaded 95) will remain the most affordable option, all things considered. Hybrids running on petrol are fine too, but risky buying them second-hand. I expect diesel to be subjected to ever more regulations, so a diesel would be a bit of a risky bet, in my opinion. Electric cars are still far too expensive for what you get, even accounting for lower running costs.
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How did you get to this conclusion and for which amount of km per year?
Sorry, could not resist:
Are you (personally) looking for engine options running on chicken fat?
Probably delicious smells all over town, and some curry flavored ones in this part of town but also old greasing oil flavors in other parts of town…
I’ll see myself out.
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How is buying a used Toyota hybrid second hand (forgive the redundancy) more risky than buying a Toyota petrol car second hand?
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I’m guessing added complexity = more risk?
History says otherwise.
I’ve run this calculation many times, from the standpoint of energy-agnosticism. My calculations always account for:
- Cost of a second-hand vehicle (here the gap between petrol and electric cars is still huge)
- Devaluation (lack of data for electric cars makes a comparison difficult. But battery life will/does play a role here)
- Cost of basic servicing (here electric cars have an advantage)
- Cost of repairs (here electric cars have an advantage)
- Cost of fuel (here electric cars have an advantage)
- Cost of insurance (electric cars previously had an advantage, but the premium gap has dwindled)
- Cost of road tax (electric cars have an advantage in cantons that subsidize road taxes)
I calculate for 2-year terms, which is how long I keep a car, with average mileage of 12,000 per year, which is my average.
Despite the cost advantages of electric on some points, the price difference between similar used petrol and electric cars is so large that the cost savings of electric have, as yet, never compensated for the difference over a 2-year term. Of course, the results would be very different for new cars, as the price gap between new petrol and electric vehicles has dwindled. But buying a car first-hand is not something I ever considered.
For second-hand, the large supply of petrol vehicles compared to a very limited supply of electric vehicles has kept the price gap very large. I expect that in the next 10 years, the supply of used petrol cars will increase substantially as more people move to electric.
On the other hand, I only expect the supply of used electric cars to begin increasing substantially in around 5 years, when more electric vehicles begin to hit the 5-year and 10-year marks. I expect it will take at least 10-years before we see a second-hand market that is similar to today’s second-hand market for petrol vehicles. Of course, we have yet to see how battery life will impact second-hand value over longer terms.
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I’d agree, that said I don’t see diesel being phased out of the professional, long-distance, heavy load market segment as it has benefits in terms of cost-effectiveness and efficiency that electric and hybrid can’t touch yet. I expect urban haulage to go electric soon, though, with subsidies for reduced emissions.
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First Generation Tesla Model 3’s (Y’s) are 5yrs old now. They are around 16 to 17k used with around 100k kms. Although kilometer don’t matter that much in that regards. Since then, many other car companies have good value options, like the Kia EV*, VW. There are many to hit the market in my opinion soon. But too many still have a way to high fixation on arbitrary points, that would require some heavy lifting. Especially the “long charging times”, which is totally unfounded, since most people don’t realise how quick things charge as long as the battery is in a very low state of charge. You only have to make it to your next stop, not the entire trip. Have a look at charging curves. But I have to agree, it’s best to have a regular fixed charging point you go to, like home or office. Otherwise you’ll need to plan around it, like shopping, and then you need to reconsider where you get a good deal to charge.
If all that is given, the battery degradation won’t matter that much in daily life as people make it out to be and isn’t that much of an issue. Here some stats of independent loggers.
All that said, I think it’ll pick up more steam as soon these affordable options are on the market and some preconditions are there. Because the ride is in general much more pleasant.
What I’ve found is that people often pick their car based on special events that occur maybe every 1 to 2 years, when they could go for a much cheaper car if they’d ignore those special events.
- How often do you really transport a double mattress? Just pay the CHF 100 delivery fee or rent a transporter, and get a smaller car.
- How often do you drive for more than 500km? Just pay the CHF 50 for a charge plus a coffee during the half hour stop you would have done anyway, and get a car with a lower range.
- How often do you transport 5 people for longer trips so the back middle seat has to be comfortable? Pay their train ticket or tell them to suck it up, and get a smaller car.
(Obviously I’m not talking about the familiy with two or three kids that goes on multiple vacations per year.)
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