Problem with neighbor :)

I guess you are on the same floor as the neighbour. But do you have to pass their door to get downstairs?

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Thank you all, for all your inputs.

Yes, from the outside, it could be sound bit too peaky. I would think the same by knowing just what was highlighted. But the story is even longer and didn’t want to annoy with all the background. The same person, has installed unathorized objects on his balcony (based on the Haus-Rule), left all kind of objects (once also something like a gas cylinder for the BBQ), in the Tiefgarage, list is long

Same person, as we have moquette instead of tiles in the landing, left stains (probably due to the punctured garbage bag): he didnt’ clean that at all. I hope he informed the verwaltung, but he didn’t at all. I then called, and after few days that was cleaned (after 2 weeks).

This is a typical person who does not respect the common rules, which are basic when living together with other people families in the same building.

Furthermore, his apartment’s door is between my entrance and the lift: having the stairs on the side, there is c.ca 1,50 mt wide to pass. And the shoes, left in a very random way (3-4 pairs, so not just one/two), impose me to to jump left/right to skip them and walk to the elevator


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Tempting
but I refrain :innocent:

Matter of opinion: me and the other owner on the same floor, already told him to remove. Chance was given. He didn’t react. The Verwaltung required to be involved. I can’t see it differently btw.

I am not swiss. That’s not the point.
Education and respect, do.

You’re right, on the terms you explained.
But we have more than one pair of shoes, and these as widely spread on the floor, not just gentle moved apart, next to the door.

When my little one goes from our door towards the elevator, stumbles frequently over these shoes
 And I can just relieve myself the screws and the hang (3 cm lengh) are not at his head-level, otherwise if he would fall down and hit the wall
 you can just imagine what might happen.

Should I care about them not having time for fix that? They figure out to find the proper time to install is thus
 so what’s the question to do it on their behalf? :smiley:
In addition, not just removing the screws: it is about painting and fixing the wall (when installing the rack, of course the painting of the colored wall was also damaged).

This is a good hint. Thanks HoiZame.

Yes. That’s an aestatic and functional (security) concern indeed.

This was done already. I mentioned the cantonal fire protection rules, which are also referenced into the Haus-Ordnung.
The fact he unmounted the rack, but still left the shoes (and other stuff) on the floor and wall, suggest me about the possibly not genuine intention of the person.

We didn’t say a clear no when he asked about that at first. But after he installed that, myself and the other owner, both asked him to remove it: this was 100% clear. He simply didn’t comment, kept silence. He didn’t say he would keep it or remove it. But the fact this was kept there for months, is supporting the first option. Which is equal to: OK, I don’t give a **** of what you said, I keep my stuff there. I do not see other explanations :slight_smile:

Myself and the other apartment’s owner living the same floor, both agree with this point. He also called the Verwaltung to ask to get that removed, but at that time, only a simple letter with a kind reminder was triggered.

He’s the only one leaving the shoes outside, all other 11 families seems quite taking care of the common rules :slight_smile: They might not care of that thus, as the shoes are not spread around their floor :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

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Uhm
 Bad news for you:

Apparently something is “toleriert”.

Exactly, it is for the management to dispose of these items.

Alternative: leave the shoes but place objects in there.

Objects can vary from scorpions to nasty Aussie spiders 
 or if you really want to send a message: a pager!

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With the additional information you’ve provided, I don’t see another explanation either. It seems you’ve done what could be neighbourly expected. I concur with others on getting the administrator to act again if you want things to move further. A co-signed letter with other owners (or an e-mail with them in the copy field) may get them to act quicker and with more determination.

I checked that page too.
There are cantonal regulations: here, we have clear indication that no objects (including shoe-rack, mobile or installed on the wall) are allowed, for fire protection reason.

And, pay attention: “Die Hausverwaltung oder der Vermieter können strengere Regeln erlassen.”
In our Haus-ordnung, it is clearly mentioned that too: no objects are allowed to be kept in the common stape, including the treppenhaus.

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Do I understand it right, that you are a coowner and by that are paying the administrator to do his work?

For me, not only your neighbor is at fault but also the Administrator/facility manager

I would gather as many co owners as possible and ask the administrator gently to do his work and to enforce the rules. Put the shoe rack as one example in the letter and dont forget a clear deadline.
How is your contract with the administrator? You could also threat to go for another one if he is unable to enforce the rules.

Dont bother yourself withe that neighbor if you are already paying someone to do it

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Put it on the agenda for the next owners assembly. So it’s nit going to be you against your neighbor but rather an official decision / reminder. And it gets ‘official’ and noted in the minutes.

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My neighbor does 5 times a week a barbecue and all the smoke goes to my bedroom.
So in summer I need to decide if sleep with bratwurst flavor in my blanket or close all the windows for 2hrs. That’s right he and his family eat almost everyday bratwurst


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