Hello JdG,
Honestly your energy consumption does sound like very high. 150 CHF per month is huge! Are there some public services in your commune that help to analyze the energy consumption at home and decide how it can be improved? Never used anything like this myself, just saw some announcements.
Heating is covered by Nebenkosten, so itâs not included in the electricity bill.
In Geneva, you could compare yourself with average consumption.
For a 2 bedroom flat with 60m2 for a couple without hot water nor heating, It will be 2000 kWh by year.
Sounds like you are heating with electricity. Not am (electric) heat pump like other suggested. On your Nebenkostenabrechbung, are there any heating costs mentioned?
About warm water: a boiler can be heaten up with several energy sources. Is the boiler im your apartment? Then it is most probably an electric boiler.
Both, your electric floor heatimg and your electric boiler are normally programmed to only work in the night.
Ah right.
When I was in a rented apartment, the electricity bill was around 100 chf every 3 month
I have a heat pump using electricity and also connected to a geothermal system.
During the coldest months the average weekly total consumption ( so including everything) is 140 kwh per week
Hello Dr.PI,
Thank you for the feedback,
I will try to find more information about it.
Hello,
When I signed the contract it was mentioned that the extra expenses would be CHF200 month which I believe was based on the comsumtion from the previous tenant, which is higher that what we are paying at the moment.
Apart of the proper rent I just pay to the landlord CHF50 per month for the water and building lighting and the contract of my apartment electricity is under my, therefore the bill is issued to me, which was CHF1.800 this last year.
I was not specially worried about it because I saw that all the rental add were showing similar ânebenkostenâ
I feel like if I am not comparing the apples to apples âŠ
Consumption-wise pretty stable, 2000kWh per year (fluctuates ±5% per year)
)I smell a new flamewar hereâŠ
In our last summary, we got a total of 6437 Kwh for 12 months:
We need to improve! We now have counters to see what takes most power and have already improve since June (last decompte from Groupe E) and hopefully will improve more by the end of the year.
It could be interesting to split that post into 2: one for 2023 and one for comparing energy consumption
For our 4.5 roome flat with two people, we used about 1900 kWh last year :
I think that it is quite reasonable, I donât know how we can push it down reallyâŠ
Just thinking and comparing the figures with company figures. Even if we(households) save a lot complexity is much harder to align and reduce consuption than target business.
one example is how many companies keeps its electrical infrastructure on during out of business hours.
You are factually correct, but the point of this discussion is to see where you stand compared to others.
Also it is Mustachian to reduce your cost of electricity to the lowest reasonable amount.
2 persons, WFH 70%, oil heating, boiler in apartment. Fairly new dishwasher, old fridge (replacement arrives soon). Tumble Dryer and Washing machine on our own account.
4100 kWh per year.
Thatâs about a 1000CHF on electricity alone.
Sure you donât want to run this in your preferred cloud instance (Azure/GCP/AWS/DigitalOcean)?
6500 kWh is more than 3 times the cost of what we pay for our 4.5 flat for 2 adults and 1 kid.
Donât lynch me, around 8â000 kWh here 
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We pay around CHF 1â800 per year, which is high, but still way lower than my peers that pay for oil/gas heating and warm water.
Iâm also expecting a way lower increase next year as electriyity costs here will âonlyâ increase by around 12% compared to much higher increases in oil/gas prices.
It is a good amount if you include heating and hot water !
In my building, I spend 2180 chf a year in oil for the central heating system of 1 bedroom.
Itâs not nearly as much as 1000 CHF 
We pay about 1300 CHF per year, and these servers are about 28% of the total consumption (I have a power meter before them).
But yes, going into a VPS (I also have those) would be cheaper, but these servers are a hobby for which I am happy to pay even though I am looking at optimization.
here my total consumption: 3500Kwh(2020) / 3900Kwh(2021) - about 900chf/year @0.20ct/kwh
with heat pump that is normal. your yearly expenses are low, ~half mine
Excellent thread!
Iâm trying to figure out the consumption but it seems way too high.
)Seems they changed the heating provider in 2020 and we have been given a customer portal to check the consumption, Iâm taking 2021 as representative since it considers the full 12 months.
This is the energy used for heating (and I guess warm water):
I donât see any of the above values though in the bills that we receive once a year for common costs, they seem still to charge per sqm portion of the total building cost, instead of actual kWh usage.
Funny enough if I look on the portal at the breakdown of Sept. '21 vs. last month, the heating consumption is more than doubled from 31 to 74 kWh and we have been abroad most of the month (and of course everything closed and thermostats at minimum when we are not there).
This is the electricity which is billed individually instead (EKZ portal, not the same period but fairly representative):
we paid ~800fr. in 2021 for electricity, up from ~500fr. in previous years.
So, from all the above would our annual combined consumption of heating and electricity be a monstrous 8â500 kWh for two people? Perhaps Iâm misreading something?
P.S.:
This is the water consumption:
