Might the imputed rental income have a chance to disappear?

Sure, you can call it a fictional income, but “living for free” in a paid-for house is an income on capital invested much like dividends.
And dividends are taxed as income.
It’s a justified tax on house-owners, and a progressive/fair one at that, i.e. those in villa’s pay more than those in a small apartment.

It’s only “crazy” because it’s not very common internationally. But maybe the others are “crazy” to selectively advantage homeowners?

And let’s see the whole picture - the Eigenmietwert is typically 20-40% below what the Marktmiete would be, and is typically re-evaluated only every 15 years (and we all know how much rent has gone up in 15 years) and can be squeezed lower by the home-owner with various “tricks”.
Also interest payments on the bank loan (commonly 66-80% of the property value) can in turn be subtracted in full.

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Thank you re the “don’t take it personally” :blush:

It’s a Naturaleinkommen gained from something you invested in, so yes, it should be taxed. I’ve invested my money in stocks, receive dividends, pay tax on them, and then buy my milk. It would be unfair to only tax me, and not tax you. Of course your milk value is only taxed "after expenses (hay) and your work (shovelling cow sh*t :wink: ), so that it’d probably be “zero”.

Also it would be terribly complicated to tax all such Naturaleinkommen, and it’d be mainly small amounts compared to “normal incomes”. But the Eigenmietwert, it’s “easy” and a large chunk, relative to “normal” income levels, so that it can make sense to tax.

A previous comment called it “crazy”, could mean it is stopping or at least slowing down some people?

I don’t know who that focus point is quoted from, but would rather call it “the imputed rental value is intended to put property owners and stock investors on an equal (taxed) footing”.
My stocks bear risk too. Taxing me and not the home-owner-investor is / would be unfair.

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Those things are pretty arbitrary, should interest payment be deductible then? (they’re not in most countries that don’t have imputed rent tax)

It’s also unfair to the home-owners that capital gains are only taxed on real estate and not on stocks.

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I think with one cow it wont matter.

But farmers in switzerland in fact have to declare „Naturalbezüge“ and as matter of fact are paying income taxes on it.
There are standard amounts, around CHF 1000.- p.a. per adult person in the household.
And farmers cant withdrawal from this fictive income, even if they show all their groceries bills as proof for buying all the food in supermarkets, as other people do.

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Yes, you are right here. It’s more “emotional reasons” (sorry, no offense, don’t know how to call it, maybe not the right wording) for a lot if people. I was thinking there has been a lot of FOMO re house-buying in the last years, but it’s probably more people worrying that in future it will be more unaffordable, and less people hoping to increase wealth by prices going up.

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I want to also add one additional benefit to society of the Eigenmietwert that was not mentioned yet. It discourages owning homes that are not lived in or rented out. Which is a real problem elsewhere on the planet, but not so much in Switzerland, so perhaps it is working!

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Given their low retirement income, I’d be happy if my parents didn’t have to deal with that (imho) absurd fictional income.
Also encouraging people to reduce their debt sounds like a sane thing to do. Unfortunately, that won’t happen if deductible interests are maintained, which seems to be the case here. This probably makes the project too unbalanced. Leftists will raise their “gift to the richest” red flag, others will say that the government can’t afford the resulting tax losses.

From the last iteration of the project I think interest deductions are limited to 70% of the taxable yield of your wealth (i.e dividends, interests on savings). In my opinion taxing dividends at the same level as income does not work if you cannot deduct the cost of borrowing.

Anyway there are other costly changes in the pipeline, like individual taxation for married couples and increased deductions on childcare. Implementing all will result in billions of tax losses and I guess the property one has the lowest chance against lefties in the parliament or in a votation if it comes to this.

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I was wondering how high your Eigenmietwert is relative to a couple of values. Would be really interesting to get some data points. I go first:

  • 124 m2 4.5 room apartment in AG
  • Bought in 2022 for 770k (not openly listed)
  • Current market value ~900k
  • Tax value 370k
  • Sensible rental price ~27k net per year
  • Imputed rental income 16.4k

So it‘s 2.1% of the buying price, 1.8% of the market value and ~60% of what we would actually get if rented out.

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I have 14.5K Eigenmietwert for a house which right now would probably sell for around 1.3M and I guess could rent for at least 36K/year gross. Has not changed in 6 years since we bought, while the insured value of the building was increased this year.

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  • 172 m2 5.5 room apartment in BL (bought as 4.5 and converted to 5.5)
  • Bought in 2020 for 1.105 M
  • Current market value ~1.5 M
  • Tax value 287.5 K
  • Sensible rental price ~40.8 K per year (inclusive of NK)
  • Imputed rental income 22.7 K

So it‘s 2.05% of the buying price, 1.5% of the market value and ~55.6% of what we would actually get if rented out.

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@Giff
Wow that‘s very low! I guess it depends when the house was built. The older, the lower the Eigenmietwert.

@Sirob
Seems to match my values, also around 60% of real rental value (without NK, net).

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How is it possible that the taxable value is to much lower than the purchase price? In my case it’s 70%.

Yes. Now I am curious if they’ll try to raise it given that I am claiming some tax deductions on renovations I made.

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  • House in VS, 875 m3 SIA
  • Built in 2015 for 900k on own lot
  • Current market value would be around ~1.35 M if you’d want to sell fast
  • Tax value : 429k
  • Imputed rental income 17’625
  • Realistic rental price 30k (low side estimate)
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wow, I bow before thee :smiley:

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The apartment complex was constructed in 1993 and has not been renovated since. That could explain the low taxable value.

My place is much older but the taxable value (in percentage) much higher. Maybe is a cantonal difference?

Probably.
I experienced once that the tax value was revised after I purchased an appartement, increasing from the previous lower value to about 80% of my purchasing price.
I heard (but cannot confirm) that it is the standard practice in this canton (VD); this is beneficial for the canton when real estate prices generally increase…