Do you benefit financially from this forum?

As this thread started from my quote, maybe I explain a bit more what I meant. With the benefit received I mean not hot stock picking tips (gods, keep me away from them), but learning the steady wealth accumulation workflow, a system that works, with some optimization bits thrown in.

If we as a couple would continue managing our finances like we did before my financial satori moment - with me doing halfhearted systemless investment/trading, essentially playing with money, doing some pension fund buy-ins, my wife dropping unspent money into a savings account - working hard until we are 65 we would be doing great in the retirement! Getting all the pensions, we would probably have around 120k per year income and 0.5-1 million CHF in cash.

This is provided that we actually stayed employed, but there are good chances we will. I imagine an enormous stress at any difficult situation at work, not many options to take a break, stress about mortgage debt. This is a reality for a vast majority of people - if your money do not work for you, it’s you who has to work hard. Work, work, work.

By getting financially literate and start investing a major part of our assets, we are in a different situation now. Continuing working and saving and investing like we do now until 65 should bring us to 3-4 millions in assets and 90-100k CHF per year income - if we don’t do anything more than regularly contributing to the pension fund, otherwise it should look different.

But now we have more options. By letting our money work alongside, we don’t have to work as hard. We can’t stop working and live from our wealth, but there are many other things that we can do. We can work less starting now and work until we are 65 - and still be in an excellent financial situation. Working and saving and investing like now until we are 60 should bring us to Fat Coast Retirement - by working afterwards just to cover our expenses and not saving anything until we are 65 should bring us to 2-3 million in assets and the same 90-100k CHF per year in pension income. Finally, if we just let our current assets grow, not saving anything and working until we are 65 just to cover expenses, we should be more or less where we would be working hard and not investing.

This is what I mean with “a 7 digits life time benefit” that the knowledge that I obtained thanks to this community brings me/us.

This situation - that you are not the only one working for your future - also should reduce the stress related to employment. I can’t say that that I feel much less stressed about our future, but I do feel somewhat less stressed.

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Yeah, I sat on that one and missed out.

btw I wonder why the closing of the merge wasn’t arbitraged, early March DUPF was trading with 6% over the price it’s going to be exchanged at (using conversion ratio to compare to URBAN price at the same dates).

(it went down to below 1% only in the past few days, the final exchange ratio was announced a couple of days ago, but I wonder if the numbers where guesstimable)

(in general it seems like the market is too thin for any real/fast professional arbitrage to happen)

If you had good confidence, you could buy URBAN and short DUPF and get quick bucks in a month.

This forum helped me:

-Reduce the regular costs but enjoy spending on specific things

-Have a financial plan

-Keep it simple

-Know what your strengths are and go for it (career)

-Know what your limits are and don’t burn yourself (timing the market)

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This forum helped me use the blue vouchers in the migros app correctly, probably the only question on the forum that got a definitive answer.

On other topics not very helpful, infact I find it generally quite stale because there is only 1-3 people that post soooo regularly theres hardly any variation its just boring. Anyway, logging off for the summer!

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The recommendations within the thread on CHF accounts with best interest rates: discussion made our company a bundle in interest rate revenue :slightly_smiling_face:

The threads about mortgages are very helpful: strategy to pay back, timing etc

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You are welcome to post more when you are back

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Imho the topic of personal finance is actually a very simple endevour.

I’d say it takes 1 month of 1-2h a day tops to get all your finances in order for the rest of your life, if you’re maxing your 3a pillar and putting the rest in stocks (whether VT or VWRD or whatever is irrelevant in practice), you will set up yourself and your future heirs up for success.

It is very hard for me to beleive that my wife and me are now just like 200K away to be NW millionaires, we aren’t even 30! And I was just a Swiss Secondo boy, like there are millions here. Can’t imagine how easy life/reaching is with a family that already had this set up and parents that aren’t traumatized from escaping a civil war…

The only thing extravagant about personal finance in Switzerland is the shift from a consumerist mindset to a creator/builder mindset. I enjoy putting 10 CHF in my portfolio more than drinking a coffee at Starbucks, but I was like that before I had a portfolio, even linear savings felt like a fun game - with investing and compounding it just started to become silly.

Note: My wife doesn’t earn much, I don’t have a fancy 120K+ Job either and while a part of our NW is a help from our parents for our appartment, it’s not a significant percentage of our NW (<10%).

TLDR: There’s just so much you can talk about when doing VT and chill - and don’t dare to ask about anything else (ask me how I know lol).

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Having a partner who is well grounded and not into ‘impressing others’ with excessive consumerism is an aspect of FIRE which we don’t typically mention but is (very) important nonetheless.

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You have to be aligned on this otherwise one person wanting to FIRE while the other wants to ‘live large’ will be a constant source of friction.

I remember reading articles where couples started together on the FIRE track together but diverged: either realising that job/status was more important than they thought or in one case, feeling a loss of status lifestyle compared to friends.

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